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Post by Metella on Apr 5, 2005 7:24:51 GMT -5
Observer2 - it must be because of time constraints that Cassie's post didn't have you waxing poetic about T-shirts and shortsleeves ;D
I hadn't really noticed Goren's state of or lack of dishelvelment on his long stints. I usually have, so that must mean he was not too dishelved!
I like snark - summerfield.
Balance of the 4 main characters, yes & notice how all of us seem to like all four? How odd. I think SVU & L&O fans have one character they just don't dig.
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Post by caridwen on Apr 5, 2005 21:18:09 GMT -5
I did really enjoy this episode a lot. It had mroe to it than some of the otehr ones. I think this could be one of my favorites. I loved it when Goren started laughing about the stapler. Ah, he seems more at ease during these last couple of episodes. I also agree that it did seem more like the fantastic four on that epsiode. Carver was really doing a great job, I would have hated that FBI guy too. I hope their are more episodes like this to come.
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Post by Cassie on Apr 6, 2005 4:25:08 GMT -5
Hey, did you notice that Eames SUV must have been in the garage. She was driving a sedan. Now don't ya think that Goren or Carver could have offered to drive just this one time? Looks like she had to get a rental
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Post by falconia on Apr 6, 2005 7:43:42 GMT -5
This might also be one of my favorite episodes for all the reasons stated above and one more. I'm a John Shea fan myself since his days as Lois & Clark's Lex Luthor. I think that one is eye candy for the mature girl. Yeah, go figure...
And that post about Eames driving all the time, well... Possibly incurring the wrath of some members, I should say Goren sometimes reminds me of Mr. Monk, of all people. Yeah, go figure, too.
He strikes me as so superbly gifted for the more arcane thinking and knowledge, but quite clumsy for the more mundane activities of everyday life. I can be wrong, now... But I don't think so!
Therefore, my question: can Goren drive at all?
Falconia
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Post by Patcat on Apr 6, 2005 9:42:46 GMT -5
Goren can drive--he does in PHANTOM from the first season. I suspect he uses the time in the car to jot down ideas in that notebook, examine evidence, talk Eames' head off...And it's also possible Eames prefers to drive--as much as Goren uses his hands when he talks I don't think I'd want him driving.
Patcat
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Post by amnesic on Apr 6, 2005 9:53:09 GMT -5
i bet goren likes to play "air drums" on the steering wheel!
[Edited to remove quote of Patcat's post directly above this one]
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Post by BegToDiffer on Apr 6, 2005 14:17:22 GMT -5
Goren told Det. Bishop that Eames "likes to drive". I too think Goren is clumsy, sometimes on purpose, sometimes not.
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Post by Stephanie on Apr 6, 2005 15:14:17 GMT -5
I noticed some posters didn't like the idea of tricking confessions/information out of people.. well, as a criminal justice major myself, I am sorry to say that in the state of California, there is nothing wrong with misleading someone to believe you know more about the situation than you really do. What you cannot do is lead the suspect to believe you can help then when in fact, you really don't have the power to give them deals. (Just a little background information Anyway, I thought this episode was OK. What stood out to me was that Goren seemed to be in a much better mood. He was smiling, and it was nice to hear him laughing, and to me, that really made a difference in the shows attitued. I also noticed Eames and Carver had more lines than usual.. and I REALLY like that too. It's nice to see the other characters get a chance to say something.
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Post by falconia on Apr 6, 2005 15:44:22 GMT -5
It's not that I don't like the idea of law enforcement officials lying and deceiving suspects to get a confession. I just find it difficult to understand.
Can you clarify one thing for me, then? Perhaps in the proper Random area of the forum? I'd appreciate it: where does the proper proceedure ends and entrapment begins?
You see, as a professional translator for movie subtitles, I work on Mothership L&O and SVU, and I do a lot of "court movies". It's good to know these things.
And I'm just plain curious, really.
Thanks in advance,
Falc
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Post by caridwen on Apr 6, 2005 18:14:32 GMT -5
i bet goren likes to play "air drums" on the steering wheel! Ha haha, I could see that too.
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Post by Metella on Apr 7, 2005 7:13:11 GMT -5
From a general public (if I can ever be placed there, since I so rarely fit in) point of view:
entrapment is when the police set things up for a person to break the law & then pounce on them ..... like OFFER drugs for sale, or something along those line.
Misleading/dishonesty outright lying about facts is considered alright. This is almost always done when questioning someone - so the person KNOWS they are chatting it up with cops.
Myth or True? If asked outright if he is cop, does a cop have to respond "yes" I'm thinking myth, because some of those situations could be life-endangering - but I don't know.
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Post by amnesic on Apr 7, 2005 10:45:06 GMT -5
stephanie, that is interesting and i may add that into my lectures on interviewing techniques as i tend to just generally say that in the US trickery is allowed. perhaps there is another part of this board (or if it were allowed here) were you could tell me if there are any states in the US were trickery is not allowed?
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Post by Stephanie on Apr 7, 2005 11:53:01 GMT -5
amnesic - Well, the reason I say "In California" is because each state has their own set of laws. For example in Nevada, posession of loaded dice is a felony while in California it is not. It would be unfair for me to say "trickery" was allowed in all US states when in fact, I simply don't know if that's true. Metella - Good definition! But let me be more specific. A person is 'entrapped' when he/she is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he/she had no previous intent to commit. There are three elements for entrapment to occure: - First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime. - Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime. - And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him. So lets stick on the drug example - it would be entrapment if the agent convinced/persuaded someone to buy drugs not if someone asked the agent for the drugs. Ok everyone, class is over, make sure to read chapters 5-7. ;D
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Post by CaZ on Apr 7, 2005 15:31:56 GMT -5
Goren told Det. Bishop that Eames "likes to drive" I'm with Eames on this one - most of my male colleagues (well actually my female ones, too) have learned to leave the driving to me. I just don't 'passenger' very well. C.
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Post by Metella on Apr 8, 2005 7:03:04 GMT -5
More specific is totally cool - like I said my post from only from a "general public impression" and NOT from any background in the area. But I think for dubbing both are valuable? Thanks for the further info.
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