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Post by NicoleMarie on Sept 27, 2005 11:18:40 GMT -5
where we were led to believe that there was no way the DA could prosecute Wallace for Ella's death. Yes, I could not believe my ears when Nicole was in court and said (paraphrased): "Well, your honor, Ella fell out the window and my nails kinda just slipped across her throat." *sighs and shakes head*
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Post by NicoleMarie on Sept 27, 2005 11:25:03 GMT -5
Ok, one last post about "Grow"/Nicole/etc. I'm crossing my fingers I'm not being annoying or redundant! I am one that absolutely hates the Nicole shows. I will never be satiisfied until she is in prison or dead. And I prefer dead! That way she never can come back! LOL!!! I do not have one drop of sympathy or empathy for her. She has made her choices. She brings out nothing in Goren that is of interest to me, and she can do nothing to ever interest me in her. I'm not interested in Goren spilling his guts. Nicole doesn't create this aura of mystique and her presence on CI reeks of soap. She is indeed a departure from the usual but, I prefer the usual solidity CI offers instead of the recycled storyline Nicole gives me. Nicole just repeats herself. And feeling as if I'm being forcefully manipulated into accepting Nicole is just maddening and makes me want to scream! And the glossing over of and lyrical waxing of Nicole makes me want to scream louder! *NM waits her cue to start singing*
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Post by NicoleMarie on Sept 27, 2005 11:28:45 GMT -5
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Post by lewren on Sept 27, 2005 11:29:15 GMT -5
I was under the impression that Nicole was killed several episodes ago. What is up with her resurrection? If ever there was a character that should not be resurrected, it is Nicole. Please explain what the hell has happened with this story line. It is to weird even for Bobby Goren.
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Post by NicoleMarie on Sept 27, 2005 11:35:39 GMT -5
"Great Barrier" had two different shows. That was the one everyone got to vote on. I, of course, voted for Nicole to die! LOL!! Anyway, Nicole lived on the east coast airings and died on the west coast airing. You must have seen the west coast version.
Note: All of Australia voted her to die. I wondfer how they're gonna work (undoubtedly) future Nicole shows ober there?
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Post by mimi1802 on Sept 27, 2005 11:37:50 GMT -5
If Australia gets a different episode...I'm going to be very upset!!!!!
It would be logical though.
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Post by Patcat on Sept 27, 2005 11:51:33 GMT -5
Nicole Marie; I have to admit, I have a problem with the fact that everyone ignored the fact Nicole killed Ella in view of several police--but perhaps because it was dark--nah.
I still tend to be forgiving because, as I've written before, I like this moral twist the writers gave her. I like the twist of her needing to turn to Goren for help, and hating both herself and him for it. Their next confrontation could be a humdinger.
The one thing I don't think I could forgive is if TPTB use Nicole to write Bobby of the show (shudder).
Patcat
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Post by Metella on Sept 27, 2005 12:01:41 GMT -5
Well, it is sounding that way ...."that is another thing you took from me Bobby" sounds like a veiled threat to me. How can we see past the bubbles? Nicole has actually made the writers fall in love with her & that is why she can't die. They are caught in their own web & a sticky one it is.
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Post by BegToDiffer on Sept 27, 2005 12:15:55 GMT -5
lewren, that's a good question. We wondered about how they would handle the story that ended two ways and it looks like they have ignored answering it at all. I think viewers voted for Nicole to die in Australia, but not in the USA.
So, now that we have her alive and soaping up for the Goren & Wallace Show, I half expect to find her in an apron baking cookies (or maybe scones). Say, if they all last for a season 6, she could even be a nun.
Techguy-I think that quartet could turn into a chior. Okay, everyone, grab your Dial and into the shower before the next show.
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Post by janetcatbird on Sept 27, 2005 17:40:26 GMT -5
I liked the episode in terms of--Hey, they didn't screw it up like "Great Barrier!" And isn't that interesting! But as I said before, I do NOT NOT NOT want her coming back for a 5th time, ugh! I didn't like the fact that she returned a 4th time, but at least they handled it a decent way (the actors, at least). Personally I wonder how much of the encores have to do with D'Onofrio and D'Abo being buddies, but that's a whole nother issue.
While I love the thought of a choir--I sing alto!--I'm not one of the rabid fanatics...yet. Forgive me, but I just got a flashback to the Men On... segments of "In Living Color": "Hay-ted it!" One More appearance, though, and you can count me in the chorus. I myself start to wonder if they're saving Nicole's last appearance to write Goren out of the series, ugh.
On a side note, my computer is refusing to start and it's something inside the unit. This is coming off my roommate's computer so I might not be able to contribute much for a while. KKKHHHAAAAANNNNN!!!!!
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Post by darmok on Sept 27, 2005 19:48:57 GMT -5
The Nicole storyline is not my favorite either (although I liked Anti-Thesis), but I agree with Catbird in that it was better than Great Barrier (large deal, but a pleasant surprise nonetheless).
I enjoyed the twist. I don't think it means she redeemed herself just because she realized Bobby was right and she couldn't be trusted around Gwen. I think her sympathy for Gwen was because she related to her because of Gwen's father. The father was a total toad. I thought it was sad when Gwen said, "Daddy doesn't love me." The response was very telling. "Daddies can love too much." In her own murderous way, she saved Gwen from the father by killing the uncle and framing him. No one saved Nicole from her father.
As for Nicole going by her real name (we presume), the library book was checked out by Linda someone. That is the name her coworker knew her by. Now, I don't know if she went by Nicole with the father and Gwen (that could be hole in the script), but she did not go by Nicole in public.
I do not believe Goren let her off the hook, but he did use the fingerprints on the potassium chloride bottle ruse even though he knew that Nicole had murdered the uncle and planted the bottle. That could be considered unethical, but Goren's done similar things in the past.
All in all, not a great episode, but it certainly woke up this board!
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Post by Shadow on Sept 27, 2005 21:51:18 GMT -5
Oh Catbird............... I sure hope you're wrong about that...Using Nicole to write Goren out of the series......Now that is totally unacceptable And as far as being buddies, so to speak...I can't fathom that either...but the look on his face, the emotional expressions, show such compassion, that it sort of worries me that it could be a possible scenario.... Both have so much baggage, and each know the right buttons to push on each other. This could come down to a do or die ending. The question is....Who will fall.? It's like a friend recently said.....a moth to the flame, and a moth to the flame.....Both are drawn to each other within their tormented minds. Maybe they are the only ones who can purge each other of their demons... I just don't like the way the ending leaves us...waiting for another interaction in the near future between Bobby Goren and Nicole Wallace....and....to what end??? Shadow
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Post by blucougar57 on Sept 28, 2005 0:28:35 GMT -5
"Note: All of Australia voted her to die. I wondfer how they're gonna work (undoubtedly) future Nicole shows ober there? I don't think the fact that we voted to kill off Nicole was ever going to make a smattering of difference. Everyone I know who was interested enough to vote on that ep was fully aware that the 'verdict' in the US was for the ambiguous ending that kept her alive. Which smacked of a new Nicole episode in season 5. I, for one, am actually looking forward to seeing Nicole part 4, and I enjoyed the 3 preceding eps quite a lot. Sorry, guys... As for using her to write Goren out of the show... That does give me the shudders. On the other hand, I cling to the knowledge that VDO was quoted in several Australian interviews as saying that with the reintroduction of Chris Noth he feels he still has a few more years left in him and wants to stick with CI for the time being.
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Post by Observer2 on Sept 28, 2005 13:19:36 GMT -5
Well, ...on the police procedurals where the basics were thrown out the window (at the least I would've expected a surveillance team to watch what Wallace was up to) and on the judicial part where we were led to believe that there was no way the DA could prosecute Wallace for Ella's death... The police department does not have the resources to put a surveillance team on every accused murderer who is out on bail, and neither does the DA’s office. So how would failing to do so be throwing “the basics” out the window? What would have been the justification for that use of the department’s limited resources? That she was a flight risk? They certainly can’t put a surveillance team on every suspect who’s a flight risk! And we were never “...led to believe that there was no way the DA could prosecute Wallace for Ella's death...” They *were* prosecuting her for Ella’s death. That’s why she had to post bail. They couldn’t prosecute her for her daughter’s death – that happened in Australia, which is a little out of the their jurisdiction. And since the child’s body couldn’t be proven to be her daughter’s body, the Australians apparently aren’t going to prosecute her for that, either. But she has been charged with Ella’s death, for which she posted bail. Of course, she later jumped bail, which will bring additional charges if she is caught.
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Post by Observer2 on Sept 28, 2005 13:30:11 GMT -5
Yes, I could not believe my ears when Nicole was in court and said (paraphrased): "Well, your honor, Ella fell out the window and my nails kinda just slipped across her throat." Everyone has a right to their opinion, but I wish you guys would stick to criticizing things that are actually *in* the show. Wallace’s lawyer said that Ella’s throat was cut by the broken glass of the window – a perfectly reasonable possibility, if Ella had actually chosen to jump through the window with Wallace. People who jump through plate glass windows often get cut pretty badly. If Wallace had stuck around for her trial, that lawyer might well have gotten her an acquittal on Ella’s death.
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