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Post by darmok on Oct 9, 2005 22:41:09 GMT -5
A lot of good lines and an interesting plot in this one. I felt very sorry for Jenny. Her husband was something else.
I liked the part in the warden's office where Eames asked what Goren was going to do since there were no pictures. When she's interviewing the assistant warden, Goren's fidgeting and she simply says "Books." I guess he really doesn't know what to do when there's nothing to fiddle with.
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Post by Beaglebabes on Oct 9, 2005 22:56:07 GMT -5
I loved this episode. The give and take between Goren and Eames was great and Eames's quick thinking when she answered Jenny's cell phone was great. It is not always Goren that is sharp.
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Post by joanie on Oct 9, 2005 23:08:11 GMT -5
Thank you Darmok, for explaining that scene for me. I didn't catch the part about no props for Goren to amuse himself with.
I was beginning to think that they were showing little hints of Goren's insanity creeping to the surface.
J.
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Post by domenicaflor on Oct 10, 2005 0:14:35 GMT -5
Some quick initial thoughts:
1)Great to see Elizabeth Marvel back on CI. She played Sylvia Moon in S1 - "Art".
2)Eames - "He can shake his head until his ears fall off..." Also she was the one who countered his assumption of "lab guys" by saying that the NYPD had girls in their labs as well. Eames rocks!
3)Bobby the rocking delivery guy LOLOLOL
4) I LOVE when CI gets self-reflexive because the writers know the fans so well. Of course, Goren and Eames take on the names of Doctors Stern and Borman- a direct reference to S2 "Zoonotic". Nice touch.
D.
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Post by Cassie on Oct 10, 2005 3:32:15 GMT -5
I thought it was a so-so episode. I guess I need to rewatch it. What turned me off was Goren's gaywad postal dance. I felt that I was being forced fed how cute Goren is. It didnt work for me.
Does anyone know what the warden's intent was? I mean why go through all of that to bring his mutt wife home again? After all he had hired the inmate to kidnap and kill her.
It was nice seeing Elizabeth Marvel (Sylivia Moon) again. She really looked pretty
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Post by janetcatbird on Oct 10, 2005 7:54:14 GMT -5
While it was funny to see Goofy-Goren dancing, I wasn't sure why he did that. And though the shorts were...something else, couldn't he have just worn a normal delivery uniform and walked to the door?
Kind of freaky to see Alison Bartlett (Warden's girlfriend)on the show. Considering that I grew up on "Sesame Street", my first response was "Gina?!?!" But then, I did see her on an episode of the Mothership where she played a prison guard who had been raped by an inmate, so I guess I ought to recognize actor/actress by now. Disillusionments die hard, and I cling to my childhood.
Loved Eames in this one, and my parents (who are "getting tired" of Goren because he's just "too weird/out there") almost fell off the couch at "Believe it or not, not everyone has to show off." And that quiet "Books" with a gesture, tee hee! Also liked how during the final scene she kept putting her hand on Jenny's shoulder as a sign of support.
Where was Carver? I could have used more Deakins, but why was Jamey Sheridan still walking stiffly? It looked as if he either wasn't quite awake yet or hurt.
ANd Dom, I too loved the "Zoonotic" shout out. Should have seen me with my parents: "That's the slimy vet!!!" But then, they were my distracted by Corbin Bernsen (I haven't seen anything of his) than most other stuff.
I thought that Jenny's end reaction was well-done, especially as she's screwing up the courage to explain her greeting card idea. Except for that hokey "Yes, I am" at being told she was free to go. I thought it would have been more effective without words, but at least they didn't give Goren the Aesop summary.
--Catbird
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Post by trisha on Oct 10, 2005 8:40:18 GMT -5
Catbird, I actually liked the way she said, "yes, I am." I guess it is a little Aesop-summary-ish, but I rather enjoy those neat little bows at the end of the story. To each their own Cassie, he didn't want his wife back. He didn't want her found, but a show like America's Most Wanted was going to do piece about his wife's kidnapping for some kind of a 10 review, and he knew she was around because he had seen her drawing of the pyramid on the cell of one of his prisoners. He figured that he could send the prisoner away, but someone else might recognize her on the show, so he needed to woo her back so if her background was searched, and the money was found, she would say she knew about it and that it was from selling the equipment from her parents farm. Dom, great points, I completely agree. I really liked how proactive Eames was in this episode, though it seemed a bit much that she'd have to tell Goren to look at the books. Isn't that usually one of the first things he goes for? Goren of all people knows that you can tell a lot about a person by the types of books they keep around. Really, what I most have to say about this ep is, hats off to Kathryn Erbe. She really carried this one, and I think it was a better episode for it. Eames is a great character with so much to offer any story.
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Post by Patcat on Oct 10, 2005 9:21:35 GMT -5
I thought it was a solid episode.
I liked the "Bobby dance" myself, although I hope the outfit isn't a reflection of either Goren's or Mr. D'Onofrio's personal wardrobe (g).
Eames had some great lines in this one, and Ms. Erbe made the most of them--I loved her sending Goren to check out the books as well.
I thought Corbin Bernsen was very good as the warden.
Patcat
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Post by NicoleMarie on Oct 10, 2005 14:51:37 GMT -5
I think Alison Barlett was on CI before. Wasn't she the school teacher that Jenny Bacon turned down in the beginning of "Seizure"?
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Post by js on Oct 10, 2005 17:16:36 GMT -5
Aha! That's where I remember the lady from - the turned-down school teacher on SEIZURE. I also recall her being a cop on Law and Order - perhaps SVU.
js
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Post by Techguy on Oct 10, 2005 18:01:16 GMT -5
What I liked best about this episode was the sense of humor throughout even as it ripped the story from the headlines--and proceeded to tear it to shreds. My two most favorite moments was the office scene when Eames directs Goren over to the books to fidget with, and of course the self-referential nod to the Season 2 episode "Zoonotic" when Goren and Eames pose as Doctors Stern and Borman. What a hoot.
I would be remiss without mention of the two lead guest stars, Corbin Bernsen and Elizabeth Marvel as the warden and his not-so-missing wife. CI has always been known for its creative use of fabulous, well-cast guest stars, and "Prisoner" is certainly no exception. These two, in conjunction with the classic Goren/Eames moments, made this episode for me.
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Post by NikkiGreen on Oct 10, 2005 18:22:21 GMT -5
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Post by darmok on Oct 10, 2005 18:42:58 GMT -5
I liked the part where they had Bill sign the paperwork in the interrogation room. Even before we saw that Jenny was watching, we knew, but he didn't. It was a nice touch that they brought her in after she heard what he said. That way they could show her his double face. Goren used her words as a mantra, "words into action," to get her to be honest about him.
Nikki - thanks for that article. I wasn't familiar with this headline.
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Post by Observer2 on Oct 11, 2005 0:23:22 GMT -5
I enjoyed this episode, and found it interesting as well... but more details on that will have to wait until I have a bit more time. Nikki, Thanks for posting about the case that that part of the plot was based on. I knew there had to be a real case like that, because whenever they throw in a plot twist *that* bizarre, it’s always based on something that really happened. But this episode used elements from *two* real cases. The other one is the one I recognized in the previews a week ago – the case of a Tennessee Medical Examiner who faked an attack in which he was tied up with barbed wire and handcuffed to a grating. I’d seen a program about it on Court TV. The Criminal Intent writers didn’t have to go very far to find information about this case... In the cnn.com article, they mention that, “...Psychiatrist Park Dietz, who has worked on the cases of Jeffrey Dahmer, the D.C.-area snipers and "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski, is expected to testify that Smith's behavior characterized "factitious victimization disorder," a term Dietz coined for the case.” They didn’t mention that he also works with Law & Order: Criminal Intent. www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/02/09/attack/This second article is focused more on a case that the ME worked on – in which he seems to have either screwed up or perjured himself -- but it also gives more details about the ME as well. www.internationaljusticeproject.org/pWorkman.cfm
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Post by mimi1802 on Oct 11, 2005 9:22:17 GMT -5
If Techguy thought that last week was a warmed-up episode, it was my turn this week. Beside the obvious return of actors from past seasons, which kinda of annoyed me; I think one line was reused. I had a strong case of deja vu when Goren said to the guy he missed a pattern and that he notices things that are out-of-pattern. Didn't he say that exact same line in another episode? Or am I going nuts? Like it was previously said I really enjoyed how Eames' character was written...BUT does having Eames taking center stage does automatically means that Goren has to be toned down...to be polite. I didn't like that in order for Eames to shine, Goren has to become a parody of himself. Come on...that dance!! Although very funny it was completely useless...and did he have to dress like that: shapeless shorts and dirty shirt. I felt that it was done to please the audience. I don't want the writing team to EVER take what I say here into consideration and integrate my views into the show ONLY to please me. I want the writing team to do things that are relevant to the story. If it fits what I want...fine. But keep in mind that what I want this week might be the complete opposite the next one. Now what I really liked about this episode is the complexity of the plot. I had to really pay attention to understand the real intention behind the Warden's actions. Corbin Bernsen played very well the character who constantly had to be on his toes and thinking ahead. I felt exhausted just imagining the effort it required for him to keep that charade going for 10 years. I also liked how the "kidnapped" wife was portrayed. I believed she really had decided to stay with her kidnapper. But I found a woman who lost all her bearings and didn't know which way was up. The actress who played her really passed her disorientation. ETA: Any comments on the new opening ending ( , Ok I just confused myself) where the team is walking towards the camera? I prefer the one where D'Onofrio looks at Erbe. In this one they all look straight ahead, like a team on a mission.
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