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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Nov 17, 2005 1:23:33 GMT -5
Carver was at his best in this one, wasnt he? Mr. Vance is such a good character actor. I actually gained respect for Goren in this one (LOL just when i thought i couldnt have any more), he was willing to go to bat for this poor woman when no body else would step up. She made a bad decision in her life & spent a good other part of her existance trying to make up for it by helping hookers escape their pimps & teaching them skills they could used to make a living so they wouldnt have to sell their bodies anymore. I think that struck a cord with him, but the way he handled it was different than in 'the faithful' where he went behind carver's back to 'save' the priests reputation... & it almost cost him his badge. i think he remembered Carver's warning "... If you run one by me like that again, i'll have your badge."
Bobby had to 'get tough' with Sister Olivia to get her to fully comprehend the magnitude of what she had done, i also think that he wanted to see if she would feel anything as a result. Yes my respect for Bobby Goren went up after seeing this episode indeed.
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Post by susan1212 on Feb 25, 2008 0:43:20 GMT -5
While watching this episode for the gazillienth time tonight, I noticed that the name Pam Golum was on the HMO database that Eddy Roberts had been researching. She is the "series spokesperson" who issued the official birth announcement of Luca D'Onofrio. I wonder who else is on that list. When I watch it a gazillion and 1 times, I will try to find out.
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Post by Summerfield on Feb 25, 2008 18:16:24 GMT -5
You've peaked my interest. I have to admit, when I saw those names, I was looking for one that stood out. Didn't see her name, but it wouldn't surprise me. On another note, while watching "Bright Boy," I realized Robbie's bedroom set is the same as mine. I watched twice just to make sure and, yep it is.
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Post by susan1212 on Feb 25, 2008 19:49:14 GMT -5
I guess it's those minute details that keep us watching and re-watching!
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Post by GorensGirl on Jul 17, 2008 15:31:29 GMT -5
Just saw this one for the second time last night and I really enjoyed it. I actually preferred it to The Faithful, but then I also saw this one first, so for me it was "the original."
I hope this is okay to ask, but one thing that really surprised me was Sister Olivia's use of the "N" word. I was personally okay with it being allowed onscreen given the context - I expect racial slurs to come up in a storyline about hate crimes as that's part of the point and as long as they're still frowned upon by the good guys, it's tolerable. But I didn't think the word itself was allowed on television. Isn't it considered profanity?
Aside from that I felt a lot of sympathy for Sister Olivia and while I don't condone her actions in the past I do really believe she'd changed and was committed to God and becoming a new person. She just held a lot of fear of what she'd have to do. And in a way I was sorry to see her caught because she'd changed so much, even though I understand why. (It figures, she changes and still has to go to prison while Nicole is still out there unrepentant and as psychotic as ever)
I felt really bad for Carver on the last scene - and for the actor. I'm sure that was a difficult scene to do.
Eddie Roberts drove me up the wall - I found him really arrogant and a bit hard to watch in that regard. Especially his referring to himself in the third person. Loved Alex's comeback though, "Alex Eames thinks he's a big phoney."
And that little nun they interviewed was great. I wouldn't mind seeing her return sometime.
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Post by quietfireca on Jul 17, 2008 19:40:59 GMT -5
Aside from that I felt a lot of sympathy for Sister Olivia and while I don't condone her actions in the past I do really believe she'd changed and was committed to God and becoming a new person. She just held a lot of fear of what she'd have to do. And in a way I was sorry to see her caught because she'd changed so much, even though I understand why. (It figures, she changes and still has to go to prison while Nicole is still out there unrepentant and as psychotic as ever) Thanks for refreshing my memory about a great episode! (No doubt others will disagree how good it was - I haven't read the thread) In this and in Amends, there is not a lot of slack cut for acts of contrition. Maybe some of the other wise board members can recall other examples of bad-guys-gone-good episodes from a July 08 perspective! My brain is mush today. (quiet, I heard that) Eddie Roberts is obnoxiously unforgettable! or should that be unforgettably obnoxious?
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Post by deathroe on Jul 17, 2008 20:45:50 GMT -5
I watched this rerun today, too. It got me thinking: maybe what's missing from the later episodes, with all their personal angst, is that willingness to look the truth in the face. I love the Eames and Goren characters dearly, but it seems like we (paradoxically) see more of them when they are doing something like they did in that final scene than when they are angsting over phantom nephews, imagined breakups, trumped-up drunk aunts.
Can't go back, though, I guess.
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Post by DonnaJo on Jul 18, 2008 7:20:31 GMT -5
No argument here, QF, that this was (and is) a great episode, especially from a lackluster Season 5. What stands out in my mind is the heart wrenching aria, dominated by the guest actress who played Sister Olivia (name escapes me). Her performance surpassed everyones'. Reminiscent to me of Rita Marino's aria in "Endgame." A situation where the guest star' performance is what makes the ending so memorable, not just the lead characters. Then there's the opposite situation, like Doris Roberts wailing aria in "Privilege." Gorensgirl, the "N" word, while unpleasant & racist, is not considered profanity and is not banned on TV. I've heard it used before. And you agree that how it was applied in this episode was very powerful? I can't imagine anyone of color being angry or upset by it's use in this episode.
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Post by GorensGirl on Jul 18, 2008 15:07:35 GMT -5
That's good to know and yes, I agree. And it also seemed like it "slipped out" and I don't think the team expected the depth of her involvment to have gone that far. I think they just figured she'd called as the lure and then she blurts she actually helped with the assault and caught everyone by surprise.
The actress who played Sister Olivia, is really good. She also played a schizophrenic homeless woman on CSI (Season 2, Hunger Artist) and a former cop on Without A Trace and I enjoyed her performances there as well. Plus I see she was in an earlier LOCI ep as well.
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Post by outerbankschick on Jul 18, 2008 16:32:58 GMT -5
I still remember the first time I ever saw this episode. The aria made me cry. I mean really cry, not just tear up. I was so choked up, it was hard to swallow. The actress who played Oliva was stunning in her portrayal. Her distress and sorrow were so well done. It was amazing!
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Post by Patcat on Oct 21, 2010 8:45:42 GMT -5
Bump for EOTW
Patcat
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