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Post by NikkiGreen on Nov 1, 2004 20:42:37 GMT -5
So, did you all know that today is "Cake Appreciation Day"?!
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Post by Metella on Nov 2, 2004 11:45:57 GMT -5
I know you have a quick wit, but you are not so inclined to tease - so I suppose that that is real?
Well, I appreciate a cake baked with WHOLE wheat and with natural sugar (not that bleached stuff - why eat bleach?) and very little icing. I bet not too many out there will appreciate MY CAKE ;D
Say, I guess I should bake one tonight .....
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Post by NikkiGreen on Nov 2, 2004 13:11:54 GMT -5
Oh, it's real allright! I even saw e-cards for the occasion on the 123Greetings site. So, are you offering to bake us a cake!? It sounds yummy
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Post by Observer2 on Nov 3, 2004 6:27:15 GMT -5
Anyone awake out there?
I’m seriously bummed.
I know too much about the environment. I know too much about the socio-political climate in Iraq. I know too much about the socio-political climate in the Islamic world in general – I know too much about the roots of Islamic terrorism and what feeds it. I know too much about the suffering of the poor. I know too much about the assaults on liberty, and on the balance of power between the branches of the Federal Government. I know too much about the damage this man can do. I know too much.
What I don’t know is how to deal with this.
Where’s that cool voice of reason… Metella? You awake yet?
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Post by Observer2 on Nov 3, 2004 7:03:11 GMT -5
Come on, guys. Isn't there someone awake out there? This country is asleep at the wheel, but surely someone among this bright bunch is awake...
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Post by trisha on Nov 3, 2004 8:33:38 GMT -5
Well, it ain't over 'til it's over, right? And it is still very close.
We knew months ago that Ohio was going to be the big swing state. Kerry and Edwards put a good effort into Ohio, especially the poor urban areas. I think it helped him, but he didn't show those farmers why they should vote for him.
My sis lives in a small town between Dayton and Cinci, and those people were all voting for Bush. Most of them are pretty ignorant on the issues, too, and their news papers seem very conservative- even the paper from Cinci... a scary amount of religion and misguided patriotism is driving those people. They believe that supporting bush, no matter what, is patriotic, and that he has done nothing wrong. Never mind that Ohio's economy has tanked since bush took office, and he DENIED them any federal support. These things don't make it onto the front page of their papers or the 6 o'clock news. They continue to blame 9/11 for their poor economy.
Those are the people that Kerry needed to only to educate on the issues, the christian right wing. I'm not one for smear campaigns, but it would have helped Kerry out immensely if he would have turned that "flip-flopper" crap around on bush.
Another problem in Ohio has been the poll "observers." I saw it myself here in MI, the republican's not only recruited people to basically harass voters, they PAID them for it! $100 per recruit. Most of the republican observers actually verbally abused black voters (using the same tactics and wording- which suggests they were told what to say) and some of the a-holes actually TOUCHED the ballots! That is a felony, btw. They were reportedly "grabbing" the ballots out of the hands of young black men and women at several polls in Detroit. This was also reported last night to be an issue in Cleveland.
I don't know for sure, because it was a brief mention from an affiliate. Maybe BegToDiffer can clarify?
You out there BTD?
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Post by rune on Nov 3, 2004 10:29:34 GMT -5
I'm in the depressed camp. History has proven over and over again... overbearing nationalism + scapegoating = nothing good
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Post by Observer2 on Nov 3, 2004 11:17:43 GMT -5
Trisha,
I agree that Kerry and the Democratic Party as a whole have failed to reach those conservative/evangelical Christians who might actually be open to Kerry’s basic message. In fact, they’ve failed so badly that large groups of African-American conservative Christians actually voted for Bush, which adds a touch of bitter irony to the racially-based targeting of voters for harassment by Republicans.
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Post by Techguy on Nov 3, 2004 14:23:31 GMT -5
I took a break from the non-stop election night coverage to watch Bette Davis on TCM in "Dark Victory." In retrospect, the movie title turned out to be eerily prophetic.
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Post by janetcatbird on Nov 3, 2004 20:44:24 GMT -5
Much mourning on campus today. I was lucky and got through the line in 2 1/2 hours yesterday--nobody I voted for won. Heck of a way to cut my teeth, huh?
Reasons Bush scares me: the Patriot Act. The hiding of information, but also the most frightning thing to me was just after Sept. 11 when they were rounding up Arab-Americans and detaining them withOUT access to a lawyer or even communication to their families. I personally could only imagine if, God forbid, a string of lynchings or something took place. Suppose my father was rounded up for KKK activities because he's a white Southern middle-aged male; he would NEVER be involved with that but I can only imagine how terrified I'd be if I couldn't speak to him or get a lawyer to him. That was the thing that stuck in my throat two years ago.
THe Gay Rights issue. I myself may not be personally affected, but I get a knee-jerk reaction when people are picked on. Why do they care if two people are willing to make a commitment and stick it out? It's against civil rights, it's against human rights. This is a big issue on my campus, which has a hugely active PRIDE organization. Not to promote stereotypes, but in a campus with strong ties to the arts and other liberal arts, it's going to be a major concern.
Iraq. Not only did we go in without cause, but we bullied everybody and came off as cocky, arrogant jerkwads with our heads up our butts. We screwed up so we need to take some responsibility, but we need to do it fast and get our people home. People are concerned about the draft, I don't know enough to say if it's plausible but among my friends...eesh.
Economy: I don't know too much about the issues, but that comment about the "haves and the have mores"? Ooooohh...fat lot of good he's doing us.
Normally I despise politics, but four more years of this Shrub...ugh. I just had to sound off. I commented about a year ago that Canada is looking better and better, but my mother got upset: "No! Stay and fight!" I know she's right. This handbasket is going to be particularly unbearable, thank God for Molly Ivins and the Daily Show.
ON a happy note, I got a 102 on a test in Bible Lit. My history professor offered an extension on a paper so I have the weekend to do it. We're working on CHristmas music in choir, so I'm excited. Plus, I'm working on my naps. For 19 years I've been unable to take naps, I have to be out 3 or 4 hours to gain anything and then it screws up my sleep cycle. But last week and this I've beena ble to catcha couple hours in the afternoon so I'm awake for homework but not mess up the night. Even better, Daddy stopped by tonight to take me to dinner on his way home from an out of town meeting, yay! Sorry, but college teaches you to appreciate things like food and sleep.
Catbird
#nosmileys
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Post by Sirenna on Nov 3, 2004 21:26:14 GMT -5
Much mourning on campus today. Reasons Bush scares me: the Patriot Act... rounding up Arab-Americans and detaining them I wonder if it's a co-incidence that today's LO:SVU episode just happened to be about the burning of an arab woman by a white supremist whose motive, suposedly, was post 9-11 trauma. Iraq. Not only did we go in without cause, but we...need to take some responsibility...do it fast and get our people home. Yes, Iraq is an issue. I thought it might be the deciding issue this election but perhaps it was Kerry's stance on moral issues like stem cell research and abortion rights. On the other hand perhaps Iraq and the uncertainties of world terrorism were really the main issues concering voters. It's hard to believe any CNN/CNBC or network affiliate coverage. In my darkest moments I suspect G.W of using, even fueling (no pun intended - this is just too serious) voter fears of terrorism, even justifying invading Iraq when no evidence of WMD seemed to exist, to ensure things turned out this way for him and his family. How else to explain why, when the US economy has fallen in the past six years, international criticism of US foreign policy has grown, could he still be re-elected?
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Post by trisha on Nov 3, 2004 22:44:16 GMT -5
The major issues became non-issues because of Big Media's fear of being called unpatriotic for slam dunking bush with all his flip-flops, the fact that his brother and supporters rigged the 2000 election, and the real reason that he sent troops to Iraq in the first place. All preliminary evidence suggested that Iraq had no ties to Al Qaeda and Saddam had no WMD. If he had just stuck with the logical reason of upholding sanctions, he could have gotten away with the invasion and slow, but systematic destruction of Saddam's regime, but that was never his intention in the first place, and with his stolen power's 4 year time limit, he really needed to get that pipeline built and puppet government in place fast.
If it weren't for the new conservatives that were created by the 9/11 attacks, the shrub never could have gotten away with it. Bin Laden is his own worst enemy, and that of every other Muslim. In one day he turned a continually progressive, and tolerant nation of people into hate mongers, and for what? All he got was even more suffering for the peoples of the middle east and a bloody smear on the Muslim religion.
He calls Americans "crusaders" without seeming to really understand what that word implies. Catholics are still shamed by that word, but it has no real significance to the majority of Americans. If anyone is a "crusader" here, it's Bin Laden, and his fight was lost before he began it. All he really did was provide the bastards he hates most with the power to inflict as much damage as they want on the middle east, because no one here can stop them- they have the angry, ignorant, hate-mongering masses following them like lemmings.
And that is where John Kerry failed. He need to educate those lemmings, and he didn't. He tried to be their friend instead of Bush's enemy. He failed because he was too honorable to enter into a smear campaign, but I tell you now, that is the only way those people are going to listen. They are looking for someone to blame, and Bush is consistently giving them Bin Laden and Saddam. Yes, both bad guys, but they are not the reason our economy has been tanking. They are not the ones who gave tax cuts to the richest, raped social security after promising to protect it, and spent an over $200 billion national surplus and sent us spiraling into over $400 billion deficit.
f***ing lemmings, I tell you. I wish they'd just jump off a real cliff and let those of us who are paying attention steer this ship.[/rant]
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Post by Sirenna on Nov 3, 2004 23:38:20 GMT -5
f***ing lemmings, I tell you. I wish they'd just jump off a real cliff and let those of us who are paying attention steer this ship.[/rant] I wasn't exactly sure what you meant here. Thanks for the helpful clarifying [/rant] symbol. Now I'm sure. ;D
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Post by janetcatbird on Nov 10, 2004 19:46:39 GMT -5
Oh lord. Just finished singing at a nearby university Vespers service. Fortuantely the director decided to NOT shove any new pieces at us. Sang in mixed formation ringing the sanctuary, so it sounded really cool. Although however the God intended spirituals, we ain't it. Least dinner afterwards was fun, and now we get to concentrate on Christmas music, yay! Sorry, I'm just trying to postpone Augustine. Good grief, still haven't changed out of concert dress. Although at least my heels were comfortable!#nosmileys
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Post by Kahlia on Nov 10, 2004 19:57:27 GMT -5
Today, is Remembrance day in Australia. We commemorate all of those Australians that died in the War. At the 11th hour we take a minutes silence to thank them for all of their services. The 11th day, of the 11th month, at the 11th hour. May they Rest In Peace. -Kahlia
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