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Post by trisha on Jan 22, 2006 22:20:10 GMT -5
Hey, Barek was actually interesting in this one. No, REALLY. She even cracked me up once.
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Post by darmok on Jan 23, 2006 0:27:36 GMT -5
I agree that she was more interesting. She had one "snark" although I don't remeber exactly what it was.
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Post by Patcat on Jan 23, 2006 9:57:25 GMT -5
I tend to leave the Barek/Logan episodes on for background noise, but I was pulled into this one. Everyone seemed more engaged--is Deakins harder on Barek and Logan than he is on Goren and Eames?--and I agree that Ms. Sciorra was more involved. But she did seem to have more to do. The relationship between the two cousins was developed very well.
I think the writers are trying to divide the exposition between Barek and Logan (Eames usually carries the load in her relationship with Goren), and they did it well in this one.
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Post by comedykicks on Jan 23, 2006 10:32:47 GMT -5
I actually really liked this episode. I think it shows promise.
Barek was actually showing a lot more personality, but I just think her character is supposed to be more subdued. But was fun to see her getting really flirty and getting up into the kid's face and trying to get a reaction out of him. You could see the cool distance in her eyes while she was trying to gauge his reaction to her advances, while Logan was poking around the apartment tring to see if this was the guy they needed to arrest.
I think the parents in this episode could have been erased out of the entire show and we wouldn't have missed anything.
So far, this is the first Logan/Barek episode that I enjoyed from start to finish. Lets hope they keep it up.
Was happy to see Ethan Embry on this show. I used to think he was so cute but now he kinda looks old. His eyes are still amazing though. Very expressive and he's a good actor which I think helped this show a lot.
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Post by psychochik on Jan 23, 2006 13:11:31 GMT -5
I tend to leave the Barek/Logan episodes on for background noise, but I was pulled into this one. Everyone seemed more engaged--is Deakins harder on Barek and Logan than he is on Goren and Eames?--and I agree that Ms. Sciorra was more involved. But she did seem to have more to do. The relationship between the two cousins was developed very well. I think the writers are trying to divide the exposition between Barek and Logan (Eames usually carries the load in her relationship with Goren), and they did it well in this one. Patcat I agree that Deakins is a bit harder on them than Goren and Eames, but thats cuz he probably doest trust Logan 100% yet and he's trying to figure out what to make of he and Barek as a team, he had a couple good lines last night that had me rollin. They need him in their a lil bit more sometimes, he's pretty funny. Overall I thought the episode was a good one and Barek finally showed some promise as a human being !! She wasnt quite so robotic and that was nice to see. I missed some of the episode due to poorly times phone calls so I will comment more once I see it again, but from first partial view it was a good one !!
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Post by Metella on Jan 23, 2006 13:48:01 GMT -5
Barek was better compared to all the other Barek episodes; still not good enough, so I hope she continues on this vein or is replaced.
This is NOT the actress fault, I don't think, but the scenes where she got in Dwane's face - well, christ, I think his reaction was normal for a person with 2 cops in the room ..... kinda stiff and unsure what to do - so while it was ok to show us something unusual, I don't think it was useful for what I interpret it was meant to show ..... Dwane's unease in social situation or w/girls - I'd have been uncomfortable - pulled back myself. My answers would have been different & there would have been a point when I would have said "personal space!"
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Post by Techguy on Jan 23, 2006 23:58:36 GMT -5
I'll have to watch this one again to pick up more details, but here's my initial impressions:
1. I agree Barek finally shows some signs of life, but it might be too little, too late. I'll have to wait until after the Super Bowl and Olympics to tell for sure, but I am reserving judgment about the seeming promise in Barek's development until later.
2. I thought Barek's strategy to psych out Dwayne is interesting, at least to show she's a flesh-and-blood breathing person. But as already noted, how else would he react to her pseudo advances with two detectives on his premises? Dwayne's response isn't so unusual based on the circumstances he is in, so I don't think his behavior alone proves conclusively he couldn't be the murderer.
3. While the parents are useless insofar as their role in raising their son Art, their presence in the story tells us what we need to know about how the father's bullying Art led to his bullying of cousin Dwayne, and then how both cousins took out their rage--Art more overtly as the beater/murderer, and Dwayne the voyeur watching the violence from a safe distance through the cracks in the brick wall.
And...the bizarre opening dinner scene foreshadows and predicts Dwayne's ultimate plans to kill Art and then himself, when he gives the toast and says something about how everyone might not be there forever, etc. The parents misinterpret Dwayne's remarks and assume Dwayne is referring to their passing. But what I see happening is, Dwayne is sort of telegraphing his intention to make the next victim the last, and then end the game once and for all. He sees an ad for the gun he will use and purchases it. Once Logan and Barek get involved, Dwayne makes his video game from his drawings, showing him killing Art, the two detectives, then himself. I find it very chilling and disturbing the way the scene portrayed in the video coils back into the past, to the opening dinner scene.
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Post by LOCIfan on Jan 24, 2006 16:47:20 GMT -5
I agree that the flirty thing wasn't a great way to discover anything about a suspect who knew they were both cops. Even a major league Don Juan might be freaked out by a cop coming onto him with another cop standing right there. Either some kind of trap or a very weird cop. But his reaction can't be seen as how he'd normally react to women. She was a cop first, woman second in that scene. Now, if he hadn't known Barek was a cop, then it woulda made more sense. Barek was more animated and that was great, but she's a far cry from riveting. Overall, though, I really liked this episode.
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Post by digresser on Jan 24, 2006 22:29:02 GMT -5
Drat, my tape got messed up and I missed this one. Here's some good news about the episode, though: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 NBC PRIMETIME RESULTS FOR THE WEEK OF JAN. 16-22 Released by NBC www.thefutoncritic.com/cgi/pr.cgi?id=20060124nbc01"Also on Sunday, "The West Wing" at 9 p.m. ET (1.9/4 in 18-49, 7.8 million viewers overall) improved week-to-week by 19 percent in 18-49 (1.9 vs. 1.6), "Law & Order: Criminal Intent" (3.1/6 in 18-49, 10.5 million viewers overall) improved on its 18-49 lead-in by 63 percent and "Crossing Jordan" (3.3/8 in 18-49, 11.1 million viewers overall) built on its 18-49 lead-in by 6 percent."
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Post by Leonore on Jan 25, 2006 0:36:43 GMT -5
I liked this episode and I really agree with techguy on the foreshadowing of the dinner scene. There was also the scene where Dwayne was watching the woman boxing in the gym and in hindsight he was probably reliving the last victim beating up Art, something he obviously enjoyed watching.
My only regret with this episode was that it wasn't a Goren/Eames episode. "Watching" is Goren's thing and I think the show missed a chance to add multiple layers to this episode. A good episode could have been a great episode!! Just my opinion.
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Post by psychochik on Jan 25, 2006 13:23:38 GMT -5
Drat, my tape got messed up and I missed this one. Here's some good news about the episode, though: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 NBC PRIMETIME RESULTS FOR THE WEEK OF JAN. 16-22 Released by NBC www.thefutoncritic.com/cgi/pr.cgi?id=20060124nbc01"Also on Sunday, "The West Wing" at 9 p.m. ET (1.9/4 in 18-49, 7.8 million viewers overall) improved week-to-week by 19 percent in 18-49 (1.9 vs. 1.6), "Law & Order: Criminal Intent" (3.1/6 in 18-49, 10.5 million viewers overall) improved on its 18-49 lead-in by 63 percent and "Crossing Jordan" (3.3/8 in 18-49, 11.1 million viewers overall) built on its 18-49 lead-in by 6 percent." Awesome numbers for both Criminal Intent and Jordan !! Great to see, great to see. See, the desperate ones are losing their following, such a flash in the pan show and the CI fans are coming to their senses. I knew it wouldnt last !!!
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Jan 25, 2006 15:15:35 GMT -5
I liked it a lot, there weren't any 'yawn' points in it, nor did the episode have to force itself to 'flow' it just did. I just had a funny feeling that if I gave them enough of a chance, that Logan & Berak would do okay. For those who are interested in seeing it again, USA is re-airing 'Watch' on Sat Feb 4 at 10pm (c/p time)
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Post by lisianthus on Jan 25, 2006 17:33:12 GMT -5
Re Dwayne watching the woman boxer: I thought he was thinking of her as their *next* victim, imagining her beating the crap out of Art.
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Post by Sirenna on Jan 25, 2006 21:11:32 GMT -5
I liked this ep but not as much as some of the Goren/Eames episodes. Good but no, not riveting. But good
As for the weirdness of Barek coming on to the perp, I thought it was a good tactic and not too out of place. After all to people who are used to flirtation:both giving and receiving it, it would seem blunt. But in the case of the boy, he was abnormal when it came to distinguishing the nuance of that whole game. He recognized her sexuality but didn't know what to do with it: whether it be to encourage or to reject it.
He saw her as nothing more than a chick. And a chick, to him, is a potential mark, a victim. I doubt he ever saw her as a cop or any kind of authoritarian figure whether or not she flashed her badge at him at the beginning. Definately, he did not see her in the the way he saw Logan. Remember, he accepted, even surcame, without any sort of protest, to Logan's invasion of his territory.
I like to think Barek recognised this and played his objectification and dismissal of the power of women in much the same way Eames would have used her small stature and huge eyes to convey helplessness to a perp - all the while reeling him in to his inevitable incarceration.
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Post by Cassie on Jan 26, 2006 6:11:57 GMT -5
I liked the episode, but I found the motive for their crimes odd. If they hated woman, I can understand the beatdown and murders. But Dwayne's real issues where with Art, not woman. And if Art was the bully in the early years. why did he follow Dwayne's direction when it came to beating up the woman. There was talk on the Slither thread on why did the woman surrender their will to Bernard. I guess, I am wondering that about Art why was he willing to beat the prositutes up for his cousin Dwayne. Especially since in the early years he would beat up Dwayne. I just think it was odd. but I liked the performance by the actor who portrayed Dwayne.
As for Barrek, I liked her getting into Dwayne's face. I was thinking, while watching the show, The episodes are all most likely written as a formula, for two cops, and then tweaked for the personalities of the 4 different detectives. I can't see Eames getting into someones personal space like the way Barrak did. and I guess I like the idea that Logan isnt getting all of the great opportunites to be a great cop the way Goren did in his early days. I see more balance in the writing of the characters for the Logan/Barrak team in their early days vs. the Goren/Eames early days. and I like that.
My only real complaint is Barrak wasn't wearing my favorite hat.
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