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Post by quietfireca on Jan 28, 2009 19:09:51 GMT -5
Do they ever plan to tell the boy? Will he ever wonder? Does he feel a special bond with his Aunt Alex without understanding exactly why? Perhaps he knows already? Heck, would he be drawn to Goren? He would have heard his voice enough during incubation. And you can tell by the look in her eye, she didn't mean that to slip out. And he doesn't fight with her over it. And work wouldn't be nearly as interesting as with Goren. Partnering with anyone else would move the job into the mundane - as close to mundane as detecting could get!
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Post by quietfireca on Jan 28, 2009 19:22:25 GMT -5
It could have something to do with their Dad. He could be sick. The mother had a stroke way back, but that's to similar to the Frances story. IDK, I just get the feeling that it has to do with Eames' lack of a personal life, or the stresses of her job. And from what I've heard, this scene is at the very end of the season opener, so it could be a set up for a continued storyline. Thanks interesting Donna. I always think Eames has a huge personal life - all centered around family. Between a stimulating career and her siblings and parents she's pretty busy. And obviously has a lot of gym time....!! And I always feel when Goren has shut her out of his family situations, it's because he's acutely aware of the difference between his and hers.
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Post by quietfireca on Jan 28, 2009 19:24:36 GMT -5
One of the many early criticisms of LOCI is that its plots were too complicated. I agree that the plots are more straightforward and more things are spelled out, but I think if you compare to shows like many of the CSIs and THE MENTALIST, LOCI still offers complicated and multilayer stories. As a writer, Warren Leight is more interest in family dynamics, particularly father son relationships. It's in his plays. Patcat Do you know if the ratings improved when Leight took over with the less complex stories and personal life focus?
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Post by outerbankschick on Jan 28, 2009 20:27:25 GMT -5
Now I've got this adorable picture of Eames' nephew referring to Goren as Uncle Bobby!
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Post by tjara on Jan 29, 2009 4:15:01 GMT -5
Not having seen any episodes of season 3 - I thought Eames acted as a surrogate? So really, she would "only" be her nephews aunt (I'm talking biologically here) - because genetically it was her sister's baby. Now of course I know that carrying a child makes you bond very differently, motherly, but I was wondering about the "genetic facts".
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Post by Patcat on Jan 29, 2009 10:23:16 GMT -5
I could see Bobby avoiding Eames' family for two reasons. 1) Thinking that he'd be an annoyance or a bother. 2) It would hurt him too much to see a happy family.
I think from a genetic standpoint Alex would be an aunt, at least if her sister's egg was implanted in her.
Patcat
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Post by ragincajun on Jan 29, 2009 10:56:30 GMT -5
I could see Bobby avoiding Eames' family for two reasons. 1) Thinking that he'd be an annoyance or a bother. 2) It would hurt him too much to see a happy family. I think from a genetic standpoint Alex would be an aunt, at least if her sister's egg was implanted in her. Patcat Not sure how much Nicole knew and sure Eames wouldn't clue her in, But Nicole made the comment that Eames "Had eggs ripe and ready for hire" in talking about having the baby for her sister.
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Post by DonnaJo on Jan 29, 2009 11:14:29 GMT -5
Good catch, Ragin. It was never specified whether or not Eames' was carrying a baby with her sister's fertilized egg, or she donated her own egg.
You know, I've always thought that Eames, being a Detective,was a poor choice as a surrogate. I mean, she runs after perps, gets shot at, might possible get slugged by a fleeing felon. I would have worried if I were her sister. I suppose the desire to have a chid superseded the risk for everyone involved.
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Post by quietfireca on Jan 29, 2009 11:35:40 GMT -5
I think from a genetic standpoint Alex would be an aunt, at least if her sister's egg was implanted in her. Patcat We don't know whose eggs they were, do we? If we believe Nicole (oh, puleeezzzzz), Eames eggs were ripe and ready for harvest (or words to that effect). If so, she's the biological mom. However, Eames definitely regards her position as the aunt and has trained Goren to the same as he refers to her nephew in Gone. (and I do make the leap that it's "that" nephew) What a cool story in the playgound. Ya, my mom had my aunt Alex bring me to the pumpkin patch!!!
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Post by quietfireca on Jan 29, 2009 11:37:28 GMT -5
Ooops, sorry! I was replying to one of the last 20 posts and didn't see your post ragin!
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Post by quietfireca on Jan 29, 2009 11:42:19 GMT -5
You know, I've always thought that Eames, being a Detective,was a poor choice as a surrogate. I mean, she runs after perps, gets shot at, might possible get slugged by a fleeing felon. I would have worried if I were her sister. I suppose the desire to have a chid superseded the risk for everyone involved. That sounds more like Olivia Benson's style, doesn't it? CI is pretty laid back in terms of 'action'. But, it doesn't mean it wouldn't happen. I'm sure Alex's services were free for her sister. How much do surrogate's get these days?
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Post by tjara on Jan 29, 2009 11:49:14 GMT -5
Oh, I didn't know that it was never specified. Although, honestly, I guess the term "surrogate" would imply that it was her sister's egg... I mean in a situation where it was Alex's child, wouldn't she be the mother on the birth certificate and wouldn't she have to give up the baby for adoption? Sorry, my thoughts are running wild here...
I have no experience in the field, but I guess A LOT. It's not even legal everywhere - to my knowledge it's illegal where I live.
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Post by Patcat on Jan 29, 2009 12:13:52 GMT -5
I can't see Alex charging her sister for this. And I'm sure whatever legalities had to be dealt with were handled long before Alex was anywhere near the delivery room. I've always assumed that Alex carried the baby for her sister and that the egg was from her sister. But I suppose it could've been Alex's egg. That would technically make her the biological mother. And having a closer genetic match might have been an argument for having Alex as the surrogate and negated some of the minuses regarding her career and age.
The question would be if Alex's sister was unable to conceive or if she could conceive but not carry a child. If the first, I'm guessing Alex's egg would be used. If the second, her sister's.
Patcat (who knows nothing about this sort of thing except what I read)
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Post by quietfireca on Jan 29, 2009 14:03:26 GMT -5
Oh, I didn't know that it was never specified. Although, honestly, I guess the term "surrogate" would imply that it was her sister's egg... I mean in a situation where it was Alex's child, wouldn't she be the mother on the birth certificate and wouldn't she have to give up the baby for adoption? Sorry, my thoughts are running wild here... I have no experience in the field, but I guess A LOT. It's not even legal everywhere - to my knowledge it's illegal where I live. I met a woman when I was at friend's for dinner one time. This woman was being a surrogate for her sister and she was being paid. ($20K rings a bell) I was so stunned I didn't ask any questions!!! Wasn't sure it was polite..... (I'd sure make a lousy detective) I just couldn't imagine giving a baby up, much less carrying it for someone else. Alex is definitely made of sterner stuff than me. Mind you I was so sick the whole time, I needed the prize at the end. Now that they're teenagers, I'm rethinking the whole "prize" concept.... Kidding, the worst is over. I think.
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Post by DonnaJo on Jan 29, 2009 14:17:54 GMT -5
I am an identical twin, and my sister spent several years trying to conceive. I would have (and offered as much) been her surrogate in a heartbeat, even if it meant using my own egg. As twins, that would have been an ideal situation.
We talked about it a few times. Strangely enough, it was our husbands' who had trouble with the idea. Hers because it was weird to imagine his sperm and my egg together, and mine because he was afraid that I would have trouble letting go. At the time, we had three of our own.
I will confess that the idea scared me. Such emotion involved. I give the fictitious Alex Eames tremendous credit.
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