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Post by sarahlee on Apr 7, 2007 23:32:42 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Goren sign in another epi this year--"Albatross", I think?
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Post by raeangel319 on Apr 8, 2007 14:49:51 GMT -5
one thing i'd noticed...is that yes, Eames and the other detective did move to first names quickly. she called him "Peter" thoughout the entire episode almost...
but what struck me is that he called her "Alexandra"...to me that could mean either 1) she doesn't see him as just a friend or something...like Goren or anyone else who might call her "Alex" (remember when she was talking to Erica over the phone? "call me Alex"...when she's trying to connect w/ someone)....but maybe she sees him as someone who sees her as a woman instead of just a cop. "Alexandra" is a name for a woman. "Alex" could be more neutral
or 2)...she's still keeping him at arm's length (which is harder for me to completely buy into since she kept calling him Peter...but maybe he asked her to call him Peter?)....anyways. remember Nelda...and how she called Goren "Robert"? who calls him Robert? i figured that was a way to keep her at arm's length. everyone else calls him Bobby
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Post by Patcat on Apr 8, 2007 19:52:25 GMT -5
Mr. D'Onofrio's speech patterns as Goren have to do with his reflecting Dr. Park Dietz's, Rene Balcer's, and his own mix, according to several interviews Mr. D'Onofrio and Mr. Balcer gave early in the show's life. The fact that it gives him time to remember his lines is a bit of a bonus (g).
As to the use of signs with translating them for the hearing audience--perhaps this was a deliberate move on the show's part, to demonstrate the isolation the deaf community feels in the midst of the hearing world?
I still think Goren was holding back on his signing skills. Techguy or someone else might know this, but I remember reading that signs are occasionally used in the military.
Patcat
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Post by Techguy on Apr 9, 2007 2:09:43 GMT -5
Patcat, only recently has the military acknowledged the need for foreign language skills, most especially Arabic, as a result of our prolonged involvement in Iraq. Communicating with hand gestures is difficult and tricky since the hand signals can be interpreted differently in other parts of the world.
Speaking from personal experience, military personnel would rather not rely on hand signals to communicate with the native population, especially in a war zone. We would rather have our hands free to use our weapons if needed. And while we want the civilians to keep their hands in plain view, an animated "conversation" with someone using his/her hands can be potentially dangerous for obvious reasons.
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Post by thatdrattedcat on Apr 9, 2007 2:22:59 GMT -5
I get the potato silencer. Did we need it twice for example? Because they showed the perp using the potato silencer not once but twice, it showed that the perp didn't learn from the first murder that the potato is an ineffective silencer, at best, and therefore is probably deaf. Interesting thoughts on Eames shutting Goren out, and how this seems to be building to something. Hope the writers won't leave it unresolved.
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Post by Patcat on Apr 9, 2007 8:27:12 GMT -5
Thanks, Techguy for the clarification.
patcat
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Post by ragincajun on Apr 9, 2007 10:00:21 GMT -5
But wasn't Goren in CID which delt more with questioning people? Not sure if Deaf people are allowed in the miltary or if they use sign to question the enemy.
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Post by lovethatgoren on Apr 9, 2007 16:23:45 GMT -5
Hello everyone - I'm new here and to CI - I know I'm a little behind the times. LOVE THE SHOW!!
I really liked this episode - I think they did a great job in showing us in the hearing world a little of what they have to deal with in the deaf world. You assume that everyone wants to hear and that they are missing out on something but after watching this episode it made me look at things in a completely different light. The part where Goren was upset because the translator wouldn't read their signs when they were watching them in the interrogation took me by surprise.
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Post by hannah on Apr 9, 2007 16:44:52 GMT -5
Hi lovethatgoren I agree; I know Goren has a tendency to bend the rules, but I figured in that type of situation, he would've respected their privacy. I understood when they were "yelling" on the ice ring, but in the interrogation room with his lawyer...? It seemed a bit OOC.
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Post by Summerfield on Apr 9, 2007 19:16:56 GMT -5
sarahlee, you're not wrong. Goren did sign in "Albatross." I can't believe no one else picked up on that. I guess my theory is blown out of the water!
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Post by DonnaJo on Apr 9, 2007 19:53:47 GMT -5
Well Goren didn't actually sign in Albatross, he simply displayed knowledge of some basics of ASL. However, it was a good set up for Silencer.
For what its worth, I found it refreshing that Goren surprised us by knowing how to sign so well. I missed his surprising & unlikely abilities popping up like they used to in seasons past. I guess he should have mentioned something about learning in the Army or whatever, but I didn't need an explanation for it to work for me.
For me, it was a reminder of the old Goren who knew everything. That was part of his charm.
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Post by Summerfield on Apr 9, 2007 20:18:08 GMT -5
Well it looked like signing to me...but I'm not an expert.
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Post by deathroe on Apr 10, 2007 10:37:51 GMT -5
Was I the only person who found this whole episode horribly depressing?
(1) Eames and Goren separated much of the time, with what I found abundantly clear echoes of "F.P.S." (the paper-throwing scene), Goren staring jealously, Goren staring at Eames' desk. VDO is too good of an actor for this to be happening by accident.
(2) All that Eames and Ross, as though to prepare one for a Goren departure or for a changing dynamic.
(3) Really irritating ADA who may be back permanently since she had no other apparent function (I was thinking she was the perp, but, no.)
(4) Goren and Eames adrift in a reasonless world AND adrift from each other.
I'm not quarrelling with the acting or with the writing, which I thought were on the high end--I just hate all this bleakness and this rumbling of new power dynamics. *s* If the last of the G/E episodes are like this, and it gets cancelled, I'm going to be VERY sad.
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Post by Techguy on Apr 10, 2007 14:24:56 GMT -5
Was I the only person who found this whole episode horribly depressing? No you're not the only one. The one saving grace of this episode is the outstanding guest cast of deaf actors. If "Silencer" had stayed with that and focused more on the story and characters, and less on the Eames/Peter and Eames/Ross dynamics or whatever all that was, this would have been a boffo episode.(4) Goren and Eames adrift in a reasonless world AND adrift from each other. This has been a problem for me not just in this episode but since as far back as after "Blind Spot." The season premiere showed Goren and Eames becoming closer as a result of her kidnapping, then after that their relationship has been sometimes vague and non-descript, or else strained to the limit as it was in TWAH. The portrayal of the G/E dynamic has left me just as confused and adrift as the characters, all the more depressing given what each character has had to deal with. I don't know where they stand with each other, and neither do they. It's all very meh, disturbing and frustrating.
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Post by gibbsfandan on Apr 10, 2007 18:15:52 GMT -5
Deathroe, I agree with you and Techguy as well. "Confused and adrift" is an apt description for how I feel about what's going on with relationships on the show. They seem to go up and down, back and forth, for no reason I can detect. It would only take one well-written line here and there to give the viewers an idea of what's going on with all this.
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