another thing I liked is the show wasn't "ripped right from the headlines" at someone's else expense.
The show was well written and planned out. Actually I wonder if back in the days of when "Anti- Thesis" was written, did the writters already have it in their minds of using the election of Kennedy as part of the storyline of Goren's conception for some day in the future.
I don't usually watch CI reruns on TV because I don't like to sit through the commercials again. For "Endgame" I'll make an exception, and I'll probably do the same for "Renewal" next week. I have to have more than one recording of these last two episodes of Season 6 because so much is implied and suggested, so much that could have been left hanging and unresolved if CI hadn't been moved to USA. I want a backup of each of these two episodes, and best to strike while the iron is hot as I need a second viewing anyway.
Things I plan to watch for tonight: ---Eames' reaction to Bobby's statement about how his brother had "talked her up" to their mother. ---Frank's tone and body language, and Bobby's response, when Frank brings up the matter of getting their mother's affairs in order. ---Frank's tone and body language when he tells Bobby the story of "Uncle Mark" because on initial viewing my immediate impression was he enjoyed making Bobby uncomfortable. Was this a spite reaction to finding out his mother had no assets to claim? ---Mother Goren's tone and body language during her last conversation with Bobby when they're talking about her relationship with Brady. How much of her reaction is guilt and how much of it is relief to be freed of the burden of a dark secret as she approaches death? ---Brady's tone and body language as he goads Bobby with more tidbits about his relationship to Bobby's Mom. My initial impression was he wanted Bobby to end it right there and commit the most bizarre "suicide by cop" and not only deny the state his execution, but also destroy Bobby in the process by provoking him to commit murder himself.
Patrick Roy, 2006 inductee into the Hockey Hall of Fame
Another thought...it seemed that Bobby and Frank hadn't been to see Frances at the same time, until the scene where Frank was sitting on the couch with her when Bobby walked in. Frances called Bobby the prodigal son! Bobby, the one who has been there all these years! What a slap in the face, even worse than Brother's Keeper when she didn't want to open Bobby's birthday gift until Frank showed up.
Post by diablodeblanco on May 15, 2007 14:30:12 GMT -5
The final scene where Bobby is alone in the darkened hospital room seemed to hold both doom and promise for him. He was sitting there contemplating all that had happened. The revelation that his mother was not the pure woman he had thought her to be. The revelation that the man he referred to as dad perhaps was not really dad. The unbelievable horror that perhaps his father was a serial killer. That his mother had been beaten and raped by his maybe father. That his brother was still the self serving loser that he had been for years (wanting to pick the mother's bones). He found himself surrounded by flawed and untrustworthy people. He perhaps realized that everyone at some point betrayed him.... including Eames (the infamous transfer letter). Who could he really now trust? Himself? Maybe Gage's words that Bobby could have gone either way were ringing in his ears. Did Gage see something in him that prompted that remark? Does he have the propensity for that kind of behavior/violence deep down inside waitng to appear at some time in the future? Scary thoughts..... Now to the good news.....When the nurse said "visiting hours are over" she said a mouthfull. Bobby can finally say goodby to the numerous phone calls, the weekly visits, the enormous weight of being solely responsible for his ailing and demanding mother. Years of enduring the constant neediness of someone who showed little appreciation for his unflagging devotion. Perhaps after the initial sadness at her death, he will then feel relief. Almost like being able to take a deep breath and move forward knowing that a new and better life awaits. A life he can control and live....and perhaps when the time is right share with someone he can trust, someone he can share himself with physically and emotionally. Someone to join with.
Well, I'm not gaga, but the barfing emoticon isn't necessary as I feared it would be, either.
But, I really did LOL at the "Luke, I AM your father" comment on page one, b/c that is exactly what my husband said when it became clear we were supposed to infer that Brady was the dear ole dad. My husband was on the other end of the room engaged in something else, but caught that and just spit out that line, and it just fits perfectly. That "twist" is pretty ludicrious, but....
the episode was well done in spite of the Darth Vader Daddy nonsense.
Kudos to Roy, that was some suberb acting! He definately deserves an emmy nomination for that. The look in his eyes when he was just holding the photo up in Gorens face, waiting for him to make it past the denial. Powerful silence.
I don't feel the love for Eames in this one, she was barely in it! What did she have, 3-4 lines? It is as if the show needs her less than ever. I felt bad for her (the actress). Now more than ever, it is clearly a show (their half anyway) about Goren, and not at all about criminals, their intent or any investigation. That has to be dissapointing for her.
The nod to the shippers was clear, but it felt unnatural and forced. I just don't see that relationship at all. Eames is way too smart to get mixed up with a nutjob like goren. I could have seen it grudgingly back in season 3 when he was just an oddball, but not now. He is just too far gone.
As for Goren the nutjob, I think that the subtext "there but for the grace of God go I" was all but said aloud. Obvious inferrence back to Blind Spot "You could have gone either way." Goren almost strangles Mark, who used that same method to kill his victims "Go ahead, you have it in you." The double meaning in Mark's words there is also clear. (Although I feel the need to point out that persons having enough pressure applied to their trachea to strangle certainly can NOT speak). Also, the photographer that hired Mark way back when described him as "off," a description anyone might use for goren. Darth Vader Dad was a "late bloomer" and began killing relatively late in life for a serial killer, and that implies Goren is not out of the woods yet. He could go over the edge and end up more like his real Dad, ironic since it has been suggested his eternal bachelorhood may stem from fears based on the guy he thought was his Dad.
It would have been a very good ep of NYPD Blue, but it still is a dissapointment for what I came to hope for from CI.
But on the whole, a whole hell of a lot better than I thought it was going to be. -
Lovesong, regarding your "late bloomer" comment...when they found the scrapbook titled "the 80s" they said Brady must've started killing relatively late in life. But that was before they found the 60s scrapbook.
Post by diablodeblanco on May 15, 2007 15:21:51 GMT -5
This episode has a couple of similar things from the epi about the rapist/murderer father who worked in the subway system and his son who feared he was truly like his father. The son was constantly fighting the urges that his father gleefully gave into.
Looks like she says it to Bobby about himself. He walks in and she says, "Bobby! Oh my God, Bobby! Haha, the Prodigal Son. Well *kiss* sit down, sit down." She holds out her arms for him and looks and sounds surprised to see him.
I do like your list of things to watch for, Techguy, and will be doing the same.
What I got from the Mother Goren hospital bed scene, was that Bobby finally understood why his mother was the way she was, and maybe that he was a constant reminder of what had happened to her so many years ago.
Of Bobby's possible biological fathers, he doesn't have much of a choice either way: a serial rapist/killer or a womanizing, gambling-addicted absentee father. In the end, at least the serial killer ended up confessing everything on the legal pad he left for Bobby.
As far as Frank, I think he only showed up in case there was some money for him after his mother died. Did he appear in the episode again after he found out that there was nothing? I don't recall that he was. That was what I read from Bobby's "eye roll" after Frank was happy that her "affairs were in order", that he was just showing up in case there was something to be doled out after her death.
Post by lovethatgoren on May 15, 2007 16:16:52 GMT -5
I loved this episode - I was so disappointed with Rocketman and I was worried that the Endgame wouldn't live up to it's expectations, thankfully I was pleasantly suprised! I thought the story line was great - the acting was fantastic and I can't wait to for the new season!!
Is it just me - I've read some posts where people mention the Eames & Goren as if there's a romantic connection yet I don't see it. What I see is mutual admiration and a good friend - great team conntection but I just don't see the romantic thing.
"You don't look so plump and happy now George" - Robert Goren..