Post by DonnaJo on Jun 30, 2007 8:38:24 GMT -5
I believe Goren pins down that Keith & Frank are biologically related due to the fact that both have the red hair/brown sideburns (or is it brown hair/red sideburns?) which is a genetic characteristic shared by fathers & sons. It could be that Frank wasn't sure if Keith was really his son, did he not suggest that the mother was promiscuous?
To me, Frank is one of, if not the most, evil villain on CI to date. The calculating violence & cruelty to his victims. The hours of deliberate torture & resulting sexual glee with absolutely no remorse... I can't think of a worst adversary, save perhaps this season's Brady.
To address some of Patcat's great questions:
Another strong episode from the occasionally maligned fourth season. Is this LOCI's worst season? What's the show's best season?
I feel that this is CI's best season. At least it is my favorite. When I choose to view repeats, they are of Season 4. There is so many layers, both of plot & of character, that I discover every time I view (most) of them.
Another episode ripped from the headlines, with the "Body by Jake" killer based at least partially on the BTK killer of Kansas. How well does this episode handle its origins? How well does LOCI handle these types of stories? And does it differ from its L&O siblings in its treatment of these stories?
I thought it was handled very well. Much better than Bombshell & Rocketman, which to me were boring & contrived. You get the feeling that Shibboleth was written with quality in mind, whereas Bombshell & Rocketman were written with ratings in mind.
When this episode first aired, there was much discussion on this board regarding whether this case should be under the jurisdiction of SVU or Major Case. Should it be a Major Case case?
In the real world of the NYPD, I'm sure Major Case wouldn't have been involved. I'm happy in our fantasy world that Goren & Eames handled it.
Goren's critics often complain that he never makes a mistake, a charge that's without merit. In this episode he and Eames make a mistake, and a big one, in making Keith their target. How do they deal with this?
"Goren's critics" aren't familiar enough with the series. He makes mistakes all the time. It's just that he & Eames discover their errors & move on. Poor Carver, they often show him concerned more with the possibility of convicting some one, anyone, than what might be the truth.
Goren tries to trap the killer by making comments to the press, which results in the near killing of one woman. He is understandably upset by this, but isn't this one of the possibilities he should have considered?
Goren was going with his past experience in such matters. He fully expected the killer to simply write back a response. He got more than he bargained for with Frank, who was more vain & arrogant than Goren anticipated. It wasn't enough for Frank to just write back, he had to display his power & control along with the written response via another victim.
What kind of future does Keith have?
I think Keith will be alright. Of course he will continue to need intense therapy. You can see that, like Goren, he is a good man deep down. It would be nice to think that Bobby kept in touch with Keith.
There is one inconsistency in this episode - Keith's mothers memory of her marriage to Frank. Hard to believe that Frank wouldn't display any of his evil side or sexual sadism to his first wife. Yet he victimized his second wife until her cancer acted up. Keith's mother seemed to know nothing about her husband's nature. Sadly, that's not usually the case.
To me, Frank is one of, if not the most, evil villain on CI to date. The calculating violence & cruelty to his victims. The hours of deliberate torture & resulting sexual glee with absolutely no remorse... I can't think of a worst adversary, save perhaps this season's Brady.
To address some of Patcat's great questions:
Another strong episode from the occasionally maligned fourth season. Is this LOCI's worst season? What's the show's best season?
I feel that this is CI's best season. At least it is my favorite. When I choose to view repeats, they are of Season 4. There is so many layers, both of plot & of character, that I discover every time I view (most) of them.
Another episode ripped from the headlines, with the "Body by Jake" killer based at least partially on the BTK killer of Kansas. How well does this episode handle its origins? How well does LOCI handle these types of stories? And does it differ from its L&O siblings in its treatment of these stories?
I thought it was handled very well. Much better than Bombshell & Rocketman, which to me were boring & contrived. You get the feeling that Shibboleth was written with quality in mind, whereas Bombshell & Rocketman were written with ratings in mind.
When this episode first aired, there was much discussion on this board regarding whether this case should be under the jurisdiction of SVU or Major Case. Should it be a Major Case case?
In the real world of the NYPD, I'm sure Major Case wouldn't have been involved. I'm happy in our fantasy world that Goren & Eames handled it.
Goren's critics often complain that he never makes a mistake, a charge that's without merit. In this episode he and Eames make a mistake, and a big one, in making Keith their target. How do they deal with this?
"Goren's critics" aren't familiar enough with the series. He makes mistakes all the time. It's just that he & Eames discover their errors & move on. Poor Carver, they often show him concerned more with the possibility of convicting some one, anyone, than what might be the truth.
Goren tries to trap the killer by making comments to the press, which results in the near killing of one woman. He is understandably upset by this, but isn't this one of the possibilities he should have considered?
Goren was going with his past experience in such matters. He fully expected the killer to simply write back a response. He got more than he bargained for with Frank, who was more vain & arrogant than Goren anticipated. It wasn't enough for Frank to just write back, he had to display his power & control along with the written response via another victim.
What kind of future does Keith have?
I think Keith will be alright. Of course he will continue to need intense therapy. You can see that, like Goren, he is a good man deep down. It would be nice to think that Bobby kept in touch with Keith.
There is one inconsistency in this episode - Keith's mothers memory of her marriage to Frank. Hard to believe that Frank wouldn't display any of his evil side or sexual sadism to his first wife. Yet he victimized his second wife until her cancer acted up. Keith's mother seemed to know nothing about her husband's nature. Sadly, that's not usually the case.