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Post by Techguy on Oct 18, 2007 21:56:10 GMT -5
"It's hard to fight back when you're on a nitrous toot."
I could have used some of that nitrous.
Questions: ---Why was Major Case Squad involved in investigating the dentist's murder? ---After ME Rodgers determined Toby died because he consumed counterfeit mouth wash laced with DEG, why didn't anyone make sure there was no more mouth wash left? Why did Toby's younger sister have to die? ---Is it just me, or did anyone else zero in on Leslie as soon as she started cozying up to Goren?
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Post by deathroe on Oct 18, 2007 22:01:35 GMT -5
No, it's not just you. Nicole syndrome.
I gave it A for effort: it was traditional CI, which seems long in coming. I'd like to watch the end again. What did the rest of you think of the exchange between Goren and Eames? And was it really necessary that Leslie bring that up? Aaaa--I cannot stay up and discuss, but I am very interested to read others' responses!
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Post by spits on Oct 18, 2007 22:07:56 GMT -5
"It's hard to fight back when you're on a nitrous toot."
I could have used some of that nitrous.
Questions: ---Why was Major Case Squad involved in investigating the dentist's murder? ---After ME Rodgers determined Toby died because he consumed counterfeit mouth wash laced with DEG, why didn't anyone make sure there was no more mouth wash left? Why did Toby's younger sister have to die? ---Is it just me, or did anyone else zero in on Leslie as soon as she started cozying up to Goren? Maybe because he was a 'Park Avenue' dentist as well? I have no idea on the second question...seems like an obvious oversight to me. On the third: yea, definitely. Loved his expression when Stacey, I believe, mentioned that red was her power color and she wears it when she wants something. It really did seem more like a traditional episode of CI but not quite as convoluted as some of the earlier episodes. I'm going to have to mull it over a bit before I come to a final conclusion about what I think on the episode. As for the final exchange between Goren and Eames: I took it as more of a declaration of "this is the path I took and it's too late to change that now, no matter what may come of it". No, deathroe, I don't think it was necessary...but it was a convenient plot device .
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Post by deathroe on Oct 18, 2007 22:11:31 GMT -5
The red thing was very cute--Goren's reaction to it, that is. Cute.
I like how Eames had her back to us during the final exchange. My guess is she was smirking at him.
And pleaaase hit me if you see me here posting again tonight!
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Post by Cassie on Oct 18, 2007 22:12:02 GMT -5
No, it's not just you. Nicole syndrome. I would have called it the "Nelda Syndrome" But...... I liked the episode a lot, especially the ending when Goren asked Eames if he was a hinderance to her career. The way she looked at him, was "Yeah you are" but I dont know if she is ok with it or not
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Post by deathroe on Oct 18, 2007 22:14:02 GMT -5
Yes, definitely Nelda. But Nicole was the first person to research him ... if they wanted continuity they should've called her "Nestle" or something :-D
Actually, I thought the final G-E exchange was very in character. She has her back to us. She's probably smirking at him ...
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Post by girlinblack on Oct 18, 2007 22:15:17 GMT -5
hey I really enjoyed tonight's episode. It def reminded me of episodes from earlier seasons. I liked that Goren did some of his quirky things, and that Eames had some really nice moments. Kate looked like she was having fun a couple of times there. I was alright with the case, although I thought that the African American woman was bordering being a bit overly dramatic ... to an unrealistic point. I enjoyed seeing Amy A because I loved her on Angel. They had me going for a bit. I thought that Goren was going to end up with a girlfriend. I loved how he invaded her space there at the end, that was just so... sexy in a weird dark way. As for the exchange between G/E. I really didn't like it. I didn't think that it was necessary. I don't like the idea of them having problems. I don't like that Alex is suddenly resentful of him.
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Post by gorensdoppelganger on Oct 18, 2007 22:15:24 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but as far as we know Goren has solved everyone of his cases. Nothing against Eames, but her record of solving cases may not have been as high without Goren. I understand he's known for being quirky, but he gets his job done, and in 7 years it's never interfered with him doing his job (well maybe TWAT, but he shouldn't have been dragged in).
Here is a man who just solved her husband's murder and she says she used to but doesn't worry about it anymore. You know this show always makes it's seems like Eames is so wonderful and isn't she so patient to stay and back up her partner. Goren his a great cop, he produces. In real life, that's all that would matter.
I know the writers and producers want to delve into their pasts and explore their souls, but kicking Goren just for the sake of it, really ticks me off. I don't know about everyone else, and maybe I took it wrong, but I'm really disappointed in the character of Eames in this episode (just the ending).
Now having said all this, up until the ending which I just ranted about, I thought the show was very good.
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Post by madger on Oct 18, 2007 22:19:53 GMT -5
I found the final exchange between Goren and Eames very disturbing, did they really have to have that? Poor Goren, as if he didn't have enough to worry about. I'll have to watch it a few more times, oh shucks..... Sadly I have a big stack of work at work so I won't be able to spend the day online as I am wont to do. I'll have to spend the weekend watching and analizing.
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Post by deathroe on Oct 18, 2007 22:21:21 GMT -5
I really think that Eames was being sarcastic in that last exchange (as is her wont). I think that there was a degree of affection there.
Last post for now! *s*
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Post by outerbankschick on Oct 18, 2007 22:24:48 GMT -5
Can't stay on. I've got to go to bed. But. . .but. . . Geez, Alex! Couldn't you have just said, "It doesn't matter."? I didn't like the "too late" bit. That said, I liked the episode. I was thinking Leslie was getting awfully chummy, but when Stacey made the comment about her wearing red, I was like "Oh - uh-uh!!" Good job to CI for having me going for a good bit on that one!
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Post by spits on Oct 18, 2007 22:29:04 GMT -5
I found the final exchange between Goren and Eames very disturbing, did they really have to have that? Poor Goren, as if he didn't have enough to worry about. I'll have to watch it a few more times, oh shucks..... Sadly I have a big stack of work at work so I won't be able to spend the day online as I am wont to do. I'll have to spend the weekend watching and analizing. Maybe Eames was annoyed that he'd even have to ask that at this point in their partnership? I dunno, I'm with gorensdoppelganger on this one. If she was being sarcastic, that sits better with me than if she wasn't.
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Post by Techguy on Oct 18, 2007 22:36:42 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings about this episode. The overall plot and story are excellent, with the exception of the problems I questioned in my original post.
My biggest problem, however, is the Leslie character, channeling both Nicole and Nelda which is a complete turn-off. I don't like how she brings up her "research" of Goren, and how she tries to pit Goren and Eames against each other as getting in each other's way during their careers. I feel this sort of scene, with the WTF Goren/Eames exchange that follows, is an inappropriate add-on to throw more gasoline on the fire of the status of the Goren/Eames partnership. If the ending was meant as a coda to the aria, it completely misses the mark. I think it sucks, and sucked the air out of what was a very good episode until that fateful ending.
ETA: USA has already posted a 2 minute replay of "Smile" as well as writer Charlie Rubin's episode commentary on the website.
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Post by darmok on Oct 18, 2007 22:41:59 GMT -5
"The guy was allergic to New York."
"What good is it having a friend at the FDA if that friend is a complete idiot?"
I'd probably rate this episode a "B." I generally liked it, but I'm not sure everything fit. The ending was a bit forced, but I guess they wanted the foreshadowing.
At first I thought it was very odd for Goren to bring up his mom, but it was a good way to get to Mrs. Borden ("My mom recently passed away. Can you get me a glass of water?"). Because she was in mourning, she understood what he had gone through and wanted to help him. It was actually a very smooth move. I'm not sure why he had to say "Mrs. Eames" since she knew he was a cop and he called Eames his partner.
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Post by addicted2vdosgoren on Oct 18, 2007 22:48:55 GMT -5
Lots of Goren-esque moments/mannerisms in this one. I enjoyed him circling Leslie and invading her personal space, much like he did in "Semi-Detached" as he confronted Nelda. Leslie was very similar to Nelda (I also thought Amy A. was good - liked her work on "Angel"). While I appreciated Goren's handling of the unbalanced mother, that actress was way over the top. And that made the scenes a tad cheesy. I was not pleased with Eames' final remark at all. Actually I felt quite a bit of anger toward her and actually said, "What the h*ll was that?" (yes, I talk to the tv sometimes lol.) I did not hear any hint of affection or get the sense of sarcasm. Her words seemed straight-forward in a flat tone to me. Hmph. Poor Bobby really doesn't need any more grief or things to fret about, darnit.
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