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Post by ragincajun on Nov 4, 2007 15:28:26 GMT -5
Ronald Colman is AWESOME. As to Mr. D'Onofrio, I know that I personally will watch him with stubble, without stubble, with a vest, without a vest, in a boat, with a goat, everywhere, anywhere, and what have you. ** In other news, and in another thread, some of you have been wondering whether or not doughnuts symbolized a Goren tryst with the ballistics expert. I have scoured the internet and found counterevidence from Eames herself, in a sound file, archived here** **Oh, the lengths to which some of us will go to avoid cleaning the house! ... Can't hear it can you tell me what it says? But thats funny now everytime we see donuts we will think someone had sex? lol. But now I want donuts.
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Post by DonnaJo on Nov 4, 2007 16:11:24 GMT -5
The whole stubble/beard thing is a reflection of a lack of continuity that I've especially noticed lately. I've been wondering if it's me - am I more in tune to these things since I've viewed each CI episode numerous times, or are these inconsistencies more prevalent since Warren Leight has been the show runner? I remember reading on that blog of the student who interned with CI last winter (Jason) that there is an entire crew devoted to continuity issues because episode scenes are usually filmed out of order. These are people hired to ensure that everything from clothing to hairstyles match from scene to scene. Well, it's obvious the coin scene was filmed at a later date, after VDO had ditched the beard. We know "Depths" took awhile to finish production. In Season 4, VDO utilized the stubble to show Goren was either depressed or hadn't had a chance to shave due to work or Mom pressures. Well, Mom's dead & the "Depths" case wasn't a 24/7 no sleep type of case, was it? So the "stubble as Goren emotional indicator" is now flawed.
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Post by deathroe on Nov 4, 2007 16:39:23 GMT -5
"We're lovers, not just partners."
I was supposed to buy my students donuts tomorrow. Hopefully none of them will be reading this discussion lol
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Post by outerbankschick on Nov 4, 2007 16:58:50 GMT -5
On my first viewing, I noticed the clean-shave during the scene with the coin guy, too. And then I watched again and realized that in the very next scene, the clothes were still the same, but the beard was there. Ooops! And after watching the aria over and over, I still think Bobby tossed Harper in on purpose. He was sick of him by then, I think. And it was such a smooth move. Harper grabs the radio and Bobby just sort of flings him over like "oops!". The little putz deserved that bath anyway.
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Post by Ladyheather on Nov 4, 2007 17:52:15 GMT -5
Ok, this is my first post about this episode. I didn't get to watch it until today. My 2 1/2 yr. old grandson has been staying with me. He only wants to watch the Wiggles and Teletubbies. He just isn't as fond of LOCI as I am.
I liked this one overall. Parts of it were a bit mired down in too many details for me. I read the posts before me and thank goodness you guys understood what family he was actually from. I re-watched it several times and still didn't get it. I guess being with a toddler has slowed my brain.
The Rogers and Ross looks were a hoot. Goren knows what is going on just by his look at them. They had the look of two people who didn't want to be found out. It was uncomfortable between them, liked they hadn't expected to see each other so soon. Probably came in at separate times and in separate parts of the building.
I always love it when Goren and Eames figure things out together. The library was great and it showed their skills. I love when Goren grabs onto a little detail, like the guys on the beach right at the start. Everyone else is looking at the diver and made up their minds. He sees the guys hunting for stuff in the sand and knows there is more to this than a terror plot.
I also noticed the cleavage this year too. Glad to see Kate in a skirt and I did like the grey shirt. Guess this is needed to get more guys to tune in.
I love VDO and his acting. He can only do with the scripts he is given. I wish he was a bit more animated. He seems a bit tired. Just wait till the baby comes.
I hope they put him in clothes that fit. The suits, shirts and pants are all wrong. The grey suit has got to go. It washes him out. The life vest was just painful to look at. He looks good in dark colors and rich tones. Please somebody change that, I don't care if Bobby is depressed. He shouldn't look dead. ;(
Yet on that note, I will watch it again and take out my rantings on something else. Whew...
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Post by deathroe on Nov 4, 2007 19:02:04 GMT -5
I got the sense that Eames thought Goren's push was justified. There was a certain satisfaction to "Cuff him."
Very cursorily, things I noticed on the second and third viewings:
**The Harper guy represented privilege and old money. I gather his ancestors ran slave ships (all those pictures in the library). That was partially why he couldn't tell his wife the truth. That scene in the library was so neat in so many ways that I could forgive the episode much. Very cute. Any inkling where it was filmed?
**Given Ross's own life, gotta love his acerbic "what happens when you can't let go of your ex." So glad everyone's warmed to Bogosian.
**I can forgive them much for trying. It is still good writing. Trouble is so much early CI was not just good but inspired. **The Camelot motif was neat. Almost a little too subtle though [never thought I'd be saying that].
**The boxers/briefs thing was likewise cute, but did they need five lines to spell it out? (a European would wear briefs, but boxers? Different size. Two men. Dana's been busy. And then another reference later on. Yes, it was cute, but really.)
**The murder weapon in Rocket Man was also a diving knife, making me think again that there might be some parallels.
**Re: diving's "one of two things she has a special talent for" Uh, what was the other?
**Thought that was a great sigh from Eames I caught when the numismatist was saying Dana was "old, like, 28." And again, that great look when Dana made a crack about "a blond like you." <3333 KE. She really did seem to be smiling a lot and rather un-Eamsian at times. Was this supposed to be because she'd gotten the Amends scenario and was now having more fun (as Erbe's interview indicated)? **The whole Chili/Dana scene was highly gratuitous. It reminded me of Romancing the Stone or something. I'm not too sure why they need all that, but whatever.
**The hating the beach comment? Could we be being set up for some later scenario? Nicole in a tuna net, you know ... **
I actually thought this was a pretty neat episode that will reward further watching. Definitely better than Rocket Man, with which it might again be compared.
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Post by DonnaJo on Nov 5, 2007 9:26:30 GMT -5
Good point deathroe, about how the writer's spell some things out for the viewer's to the point of, "Yeah, yeah we get it already." like the boxers/briefs. Yet, a comment about Dana's "two talents" isn't explained. Is that because they couldn't spell it out without being censored? Or do they think that everyone would just know? I know what I thought it was - as the Doctor put it in D.A.W., Dana excelled in giving "oral pleasure." They could have said that. And what a thing for your ex husband (who supposedly is still in love with you and is trying to protect you) to say to the police?
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Post by deathroe on Nov 5, 2007 9:59:57 GMT -5
re Dana's talent: I figured that was what it was, too, but *coughcough* It was indeed pointless except for the shock value--and kind of a weird thing for the hopelessly devoted whatsisname to say. [There is here suppressed a rather pointless joke to the effect of if they had to bring up boxers or briefs why couldn't they let us know what Goren wears. I'm ok not knowing. Somehow that seems more like a Stabler thing *g*...]
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Post by caseyswife on Nov 5, 2007 12:10:21 GMT -5
Well, my cousin's wedding in the Nash kept me from commenting until now, but WOW, how great to see all these comments and deliberations/discussions... *sigh* I just love it! And honestly, it warms the cockles that the show is generating this much buzz amongst us all - especially after all the cancellation drama and negativity that seemed to permeate last season. ;D I wondered about Ross and Rodgers! I got that they were playing an almost too deliberate who us we're cool, we're cool, act non-chalant. And Eames and Goren seemed to give each other their own You see that? looks. He ain't Lenny, but I can totally see Rodgers and Ross sparring and sparking with each other. First off, go get that degree Catbird! Great to see you around again - seems a lot of us have had real life getting in the way of our CI time. Best of luck with all your studies - especially the non-CI ones. That look between Ross and Rogers was so very telling to me - I turned to the Hub and we sort of both went "Oooooh..." And after reading all the comments here, I, too, will be looking for donuts! *hee-hee* Good for them if that is what is up - and the look between Goren and Eames after-wards was just classic "A-HA! Busted!!" Last (for now), I thought Goren's unusual enthusiasm about "Ill Bred's" wife expecting a baby was a tongue in cheek moment about D'Onofrio's own personal new daddy situation. Donna, I too caught this and thought how very sweet it was. He just grinned from ear to ear, didn't he? *awww* Like a few others here, I loved the fact that both Eames and Goren got to smile a bit and enjoy themselves in this one - it reminded me of the old days so much and as nosee said perfectly, it made me happy. By the way, am I the only one who noticed Goren was cleaned shaven with the coin guy? Then in the next scene, he has a fully grown beard? Something else on my list of things to look for when I view this episode again. If you're correct Summerfield, then the lack of continuity in "Depths" is even more glaring.I thought the whole beard disappearance/reappearance was a trick in the lighting and not a continuity issue... Much like the ones that have VDO's hair darker and then lighter in different scenes. The Hub sports a full beard all the time and sometimes even it looks a little less there depending what kind of lighting he is in. (And like Vincent, he does have some grey mixed in.) I have yet to watch the epi on our TV - and the one I got to see it on was an HD without the HD signal, so it was kind of grainy - so while transferring to DVD I will check it out. Can't miss the opportunity to get my hands on that big Techguy prize if I can! ;D Have to be shallow for just a moment and say our Bobby is smokin' hot with the beard! Amen, sister, amen... *pant* This episode was so choc full of VDO Porn that my head was spinning! The stubble, the jeans, the maroon shirt - I love his forearms! - the researchin' hotness at the library, ... With all due respect to the coin shop guy (Ugh, what an ass!) VDO was the one who was "smokin'" in this one! I liked that this episode wasn't so heavy with meaning - except for the whole "He had no parents, no kids = he was nothing" line which made me want to throw the guy in the drink!! I think this was a sort of gift to us all - a little breather before all the angst that has been hinted at in the coming episodes for Bobby and Eames. First time this season I haven't had to pop an antacid while watching! caseyswife P.S. And can I just say that I LOVED the tag at the end of the preview about CI being the top rated drama on cable four weeks in a row?!?!
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Post by outerbankschick on Nov 5, 2007 18:16:13 GMT -5
Boxers or briefs? I put Bobby in boxers. But that's me. ;D That "I hate the beach" comment threw me coming from him. I remember him saying once that he used to ride his bike to the beach every weekend when he was a kid. And we know from Frances that one of his grandfathers had a beach club. Whether he owned it or was a member, was never made clear. As it doesn't seem anything is ever just an off-hand comment, I'm wondering if that meant something more. Caseyswife, I'm with you on VDO's forearms. Yummy!
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Post by mimi on Nov 5, 2007 18:54:20 GMT -5
I've got to admit I found this episode quite boring. It felt like they've thrown a bunch of leftover ideas from past episodes and made a new one with it.
Only when Goren and Eames started doing their research at the library and when the family, the history, the fraud angles were brought up that the episode started to have some meat and add layers to a shallow and useless story.
Those aspects would've served the story much better and since I felt Chili, the Camelot guy and the blonde bimbo added nothing to the story they could've easily been put in the background.
Something's definitively up between Ross and Rodgers but she seemed to be more unconfortable than Ross.
Re: Goren's clothes. He never had clothes that fit him well, it's hopeless. BUT those jeans beurk those jeans that's just painful.
The continuity is a huge problem for me. When I watched the preview for next week episode, Falacci introduces herself to Logan and ask him if being late will become his trademark. This suggests that next week's episode was supposed to be their first meeting. I hope they edit it, but even so, I think the episode will sound out-of-tune.
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Post by gratzqq on Nov 5, 2007 21:16:18 GMT -5
I so agree with the continuity problems- especially when episodes are out of order! They've actually been using that commercial for about a month now but we haven't seen the epi where Logan meets Falacci at all!! I'm very upset since it seemed they were good on chemistry and I loved the way SHE was the take charge person and Logan seemed almost baffled by her - this from only seeing the commercial! I hope they air THAT episode soon. I'm not sure if it is indeed the one coming up this week! Also, I just happened to see Chris Noth in Greenwich Village in New York City at the end of the summer. Boy, he is so unassuming - kept to himself - wearing excellent jeans and t-shirt!! Just thought I'd share!!
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Post by Techguy on Nov 5, 2007 22:29:29 GMT -5
The continuity is a huge problem for me. When I watched the preview for next week episode, Falacci introduces herself to Logan and ask him if being late will become his trademark. This suggests that next week's episode was supposed to be their first meeting. Bing, reality!
Just as "Depths" was supposed to have been the first G/E episode of Season 7, "Courtship" was supposed to have been the first L/F episode. Thank you, CI/USA, for airing episodes out of order and taking us on a magic carpet ride. My Thursday nights are sooo much more interesting now--good thing I reside between Remulak & Tralfamadore, the better to appreciate the time warp loop.
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Post by nwchimom on Nov 6, 2007 0:04:15 GMT -5
I was under the impression that the Logan/Falacci meeting episode was supposed to be a flashback.
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Post by nosee on Nov 6, 2007 7:40:18 GMT -5
I was under the impression that the Logan/Falacci meeting episode was supposed to be a flashback. I heard Witt say that in an interview back in early October when "Seeds" first aired. nosee
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