mimi
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Post by mimi on Nov 20, 2007 21:23:21 GMT -5
So Schill was burning Kira's home manuscript in the fire place. He's the one who stole her words, her voice and used it in his new book.
TJ was another type of fraudster, he did some research and wrote about it. Being assigned TJ's book review, she realized that this book was a fake and that the first one was probably too.
TJ's first and second book, Schill's book and Kira's manuscript got all mixed up. I believe some corners were cut short.
I had to rewatch that bland episode in order to put all the pieces together...and I hate rewatching an episode for clarifications. I should watch an episode again because I enjoyed it and want to see it again; not because I didn't understand it.
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okaadaak
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Post by okaadaak on Nov 22, 2007 3:52:24 GMT -5
I've only seen this episode once and a lot of the things you all mention just flew by me unnoticed (Maybe that's because of the language, how would I know?) But I thought T.J. claimes in his first (successfue book that he had been in prison somewhere in Jemen, took descriptions from people, who knew Spoffort, to stabilise this fraud but G/E found out that the prson in Jemen has already burnt down in the years he wrote he had been there. Now I'm asking myself whether I got it all wrong.... Can anybody help me out here, please???
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Post by Patcat on Nov 22, 2007 19:28:17 GMT -5
TJ's first book claimed he was jailed in Yemen. The detectives found that the jail TJ claimed to have been in had been destroyed before the time TJ said he was in it, and the US State Department had no record of TJ ever being in Yemen. As others have posted, TJ performed enough research to somewhat support a claim that he was in the same prison as Detour, but Kira knew enough from Detour to catch that TJ was a fraud.
On my second viewing, I thought this episode was very well put together. There are a lot of small pieces, but they fit together well. I've read enough about writers--and met a few--to suggest that this sort of behavior isn't that wild.
Watching last night, I noticed that Schill met TJ at a Narcotics Anonymous meeting, and then proceeded to ply the young man with alcohol and drugs. Mr. Schill was a nasty piece of work.
Patcat
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Post by DonnaJo on Nov 23, 2007 6:53:04 GMT -5
In the gym scene, anyone notice Goren's hesitation after TJ made the comment, "What..you couldn't beat an answer out of Lionel?" He noticeably paused, as if to regroup mentally, and then responded in (what I saw as ) a guilty, defensive manner. He must have realized that he was out of line. There's also no doubt in my mind that Eames gave it to him after they left Schill's home.
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Post by nwchimom on Nov 23, 2007 8:56:24 GMT -5
I did notice that in the gym scene, DonnaJo.
I need to amend my opinion...I still believe Goren was out of line at Schill's home, but I now think he was playing TJ in the gym when he dared him to take a swing. I still believe, however, that Eames thought he was serious at first.
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Post by DonnaJo on Nov 23, 2007 9:18:33 GMT -5
Yes, I think Eames took Goren's actions both with Schill & with TJ very seriously. She was visibly annoyed & frustrated at Schill's place & at the gym, until she caught on with what Bobby was doing.
When Eames is playing someone, or she & Bobby are play acting together, it's made very obvious to the viewers. It's over the top, bad acting, like the shoe store scene & the bashful Alex scene with the street vendor. It sure isn't subtle enough so we aren't sure, right?
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mimi
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Post by mimi on Nov 23, 2007 22:47:00 GMT -5
Usually the episode I initially don't like end up to be my favorites as the discussion go on.
I'm not there yet for this episode, I still think they mingled too much stuff. It was a case of who wrote what book; who was a fraud...what aspect this fraud took; who knew who; who knew what; who was where and who wasn't there...Confused yet??
I also believe the Yemen angle was brushed off way too fast. One line and that's it? Although lots of CI viewers like to rewatch, the main story should be understandable at the first viewing.
Also, who wrote the book "Tokens" that Goren was reading at MCS? He mumbled his line (as usual) and I didn't get that part at all. At first, I thought it was Schill because when he went to confront him (the infamous violent scene) he read from the book and from the manuscript. What confuses me is that Schill stated that his book wasn't out yet, but Tokens was a published book.
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Post by gorensdoppelganger on Nov 23, 2007 22:59:39 GMT -5
Mimi,
Tokens was still in galleys, but was going to be printed. Schill stated that if he let Bobby and Alex read them, he'd get in big trouble with his publisher.
Goren was reading from these galleys, that's how he knew Schill had stolen Keira's voice. He compared the galleys to Keira's novel which Eames found on her work computer under the title of budgets.
Publishers make several copies of a novelist works, because others at the publishing house read it to comment and review. Schill would probably have a few copies as well. Bobby received his copy from the publisher.
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Post by nwchimom on Nov 24, 2007 0:06:46 GMT -5
Bobby had a bound galley for Schill's book. Galley pages are a step in the proofreading process; "bound galleys" are bound in book form and sent to reviewers, distributors, and book clubs so they can plan their promotions, etc.
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Post by ragincajun on Nov 24, 2007 1:58:06 GMT -5
I thought the stack of books on Schills desk were copies of his new book, but he couldn't give them out yet. Also I like how Bobby took the book about the cop killer, and when Schill offered to sign it, Bobby refused, then used it as "Note Paper" to write down the phone number of the Agent, I take it as, saying the book was garbage in Bobby's eyes. Is that how everyone else saw that scene?
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Post by DonnaJo on Nov 24, 2007 10:00:11 GMT -5
That's exactly how I also saw that scene, ragin. ;D
I thought it was really cruel of Goren to do that, especially since at that point all we knew of Schill was that he was a pompous ass. Not that he was a plagiarist & certaintly not a murderer. Obviously Goren despised the man from the get go. A reminder of someone else he resents?
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Post by Patcat on Nov 24, 2007 16:24:05 GMT -5
H-m-m. It's probably that I really loath the kind of pompous ass Schill represents, but I really thought Bobby was giving him just what he deserved. Physically hurting him, no, but the psychological battle, yes. Of course, this is another example of someone underestimating Bobby and Alex.
Patcat
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Post by Summerfield on Nov 24, 2007 23:21:31 GMT -5
Yeah, physically abusing him by grabbing the hand. Pretty appropiate for a writer.
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Post by Patcat on Nov 25, 2007 14:55:51 GMT -5
Actually, I think Bobby's casual treatment of Schill's galleys was far more painful to Schill than what happened to his hand.
Patcat
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mimi
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Post by mimi on Nov 25, 2007 19:31:48 GMT -5
Ahh... Now the episode is making a lot more sense. Thanks for the clarifications.
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