Post by diablodeblanco on Dec 6, 2007 23:49:50 GMT -5
That's exactly the kind of loose ends that either I didn't quite catch during the show or they were left loose. I am left with how did he know this or why did he do it that way. Perhaps a second viewing will help a little.
Patcat, the script that got Detective Goren into the prison mental ward is precisely the reason why my gut response is I was getting an acting lesson. And my ambivalence/disappointment isn't only about the lack of resolution, it's about the entire premise of this episode.
Frank tells Robert he (Frank) was out of the picture even before Donny was born. How then did Frank get a photo of a young adult Donny with his mother? And if Frank was the absent deadbeat Dad chip off the old block, why would Donny call Frank for help in the first place? Donny didn't know about his uncle the detective until he talked to his father, so what reason did Donny think his deadbeat Dad could help him? How did Donny even know how to get in contact with Frank?
I totally could do without Frank's snide remark to Robert to take Eames to a motel and get his frustration out of his system. I didn't like the sound of it or what it was suggesting would or could happen.
On a positive note, I liked seeing the Ross/Rodgers relationship confirmed. But if I were Ross and found out as I was dressed in a tux ready to go out on a date, with Rodgers in an evening dress in the elevator, that his two "elite" detectives had done an end-around, I would be in no mood to offer any help. I would be first in line to sign the papers to have Detective Goren committed to a mental hospital permanently, and I would have put his accomplice Eames on report for insuburdination and complicity in the endangerment of a mentally ill fellow police officer. The Chief of Detectives--no Wank here just right on--delivers a spot on speech at the end detailing Goren's transgressions and the trouble he got his partner and Captain into. Detective Goren needs help, and fast, before he's the one on the bridge and we're left waiting for his splash.
Post by diablodeblanco on Dec 6, 2007 23:55:18 GMT -5
I have a question about the fingerprint removal. It showed Goren removing/altering his prints on the way to the town. Wouldn't he have bloody fingertips when he was arrested for the brick throwing incident?? And wouldn't that be cause for some added interest in just who he was?
Post by addicted2vdosgoren on Dec 6, 2007 23:56:01 GMT -5
I really enjoyed it. This ep was about character, not crime. Not everyone's cup of tea in terms of CI, but I was glued to the tv.
Vincent was superb. Along with TG, KE, EB, and the actor who played Donny.
The scenes at the end between Bobby and Frank. Just WOW. I was riveted. All Bobby has left now in terms of family is his nephew who is now MIA. Poor Bobby looked very alone/lost in that final moment as his search was unsuccessful.
Goren lining up the peas on his meal tray - nice nod to "Tomorrow" where the institurionalized soap opera-obsessed killer did the same thing.
I got a chill up my sine every time someone called Goren 'Brady' Interesting choice for an alias, to say the least.
The 'heaven' scenes made me want to pass Bobby my drink through my tv. Very hard to watch. Did I mention how excellent Vincent was?
I will definitely be watching this one many more times.
EDITed to say: I liked that thing were left messy and unresolved as opposed to all wrapped up in a tidy way. That felt realistic to me.
One of the interesting things about this episode was the fact that this was a clear response to a series of articles that the New York Times did last year about local justices of the peace in upstate New York. These justices apparently really are car salesmen, electricians etc. with no legal training who can sentence people to jail time, often in kangaroo court proceedings without anything even resembling constitutional rights or due process. It was a really alarming series.
There was an awful lot of detail that they rushed through in the scenes with Frank. I think instead of discerning the motivations of the prison officials (whose actions do seem rather inexplicable as many have noted), Goren was trying to discern Frank's motivations. He pointed out that Frank could have called him when Donny was arrested, but he knew that Bobby was only good for one favor, and Bobby suggested that Frank wanted to save that for hiimself.
Post by diablodeblanco on Dec 7, 2007 0:04:45 GMT -5
Frank is a drug addict among other things and as such his world is about him. Only him. He was and still is a user not just of drugs but of people. He was resentful that Bobby only gave him a few dollars and a coat. He wanted more, much more. He visited his mother only because he needed money. The exchange in the hallway at the nursing home between the two brothers showed Frank for the money grubbing lowlife that he is. His reason for inquiring about the mother's estate was purely selfish.
Oh and I loved the way they had Goren stand in Time Squares at the end of the show, it was sad, and you understood his pain looking out into the world for a lost loved one.... I think Donny and Bobby could have become friends if given a real chance
“It’s like you got yesterday, today and tomorrow, all in the same room. There’s no telling, what can happen”.... Billy, "I’m Not There"
I really liked this episode. I was impressed with just how controlled everything and everyone seemed to be despite the situation and the number of people at MCS who were apparently in on it all. The acting was very well done and it was nice to see Goren/Eames back on the same page again...
I thought the whole Ross/Rodgers thing was hilarious. A little levity, I suppose, isn't such a bad thing...
EDIT: Cassie, I agree. That was one thing about the episode that really struck me was Goren standing in Times Square on his own, searching for some thread of his biological family...
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Ok, before I really head to bed (g), I gotta hit one point. There's no evidence that Bobby is Brady's biological son. In truth, I don't think Bobby had a "real" father of any kind.
On this point I agree totally. I think when Detective Goren alternates between identifying himself as Goren and Brady while under the influence of truth drugs, it is intended to convey the idea that his paternity is still in doubt, and also that he is no son of either Goren Sr. or Brady in the ways that really matter.
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