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Post by hannah on May 3, 2007 14:26:26 GMT -5
I've heard a lot and I'm not sure why. I've read a post where they said they watched it last night and said it was bad tv. If you never watched it before, how can judge on just one episode. You wouldn't understand so many episodes of SVU if you haven't seen it before. Especially last nights. And you know why? Because there is drama in SVU. Yes I said it, many people say it, many complain, but why are you complaining? SVU is and always has been soapy. So what do you expect? Do you feel that all brands should be the same. CI, has never really been soapy and you wouldn't really expect it to be. Which is probably why so many complain. But SVU....? And just because its emotional doesn't mean its dumped down. Actually, IMO, if you watch a few its very smart. And take a look at the crimes that take place. Of course its going to get personal. Also, no offense to CI, but they just don't seem to know how to balance out the crime from the drama. At least with SVU the case stays interesting even with the personal drama thrown in. Actually the case usually ends up having something ironic to do with the personal life's of the detectives in the end. But you probably wouldn't get it if you just decided to watch an episode randomly. SVU does the drama right while keeping the case crucial. Maybe some of the resentment towards SVU is that they don't want to join all the hype because you feel CI deserves it more. And it does deserve a lot more then it gets. I don't know... I don't want to argue with anyone. Just want to know why. I don't care if people don't watch SVU because of its drama, but then why would you watch it and then turn around and complain about the drama. Drama is part of what SVU is. Complaining about drama in SVU is like complaining about Simone in American Idol. Yes, yes, plenty complain about him, and thats not the best example but you get what I mean, right?
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Post by DonnaJo on May 3, 2007 14:46:46 GMT -5
I can only speak for myself here. I did vent a little about catching the SVU episode after Rocketman. I don't watch ever single episode, but I did see a few with Dani recently, who I like (better than Mariska). What I saw this past Tuesday was ridiculous to me. What crime were they investigating? Olivia's brother - father? And the part where she pulls an "Un-Stabler" and cuffs the perp to the table & repeatedly kicks the guy in the ribs. Come on. This show has become pure soap & melodrama. Compare it now to the repeats that are on USA. Sure, they also incorporated the personal with the crime story. But it was complementary to the story, not the whole thing. I just saw the ep with the pedophile in the park who is accused of killing the mentally challenged boy that was riding his bike? The guy gets off & the dad shoots him on the court steps? Then it's revealed that he WAS innocent, that two punks did it? That's a great example of old SVU. You get scenes with Stabler & his kids in between, showing how his job flows over into his personal life. A great episode. I'm sure you can cite me examples of good drama & an excellent crime story in recent episodes that I have missed. Maybe I've been catching too much of the crap when I tune in. I don't like Olivia's character lately, and that's who is dominating the screen when I tune in since she's returned from her baby & her Emmy. Maybe it's also sour grapes too. That the subtlety in acting of a VDO goes unrewarded while the punching a perp by a Meloni & a kicking someone in the guts by a Hartiguay is applauded Sorry Holly, but you asked. ;D
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Post by NikkiGreen on May 3, 2007 15:01:43 GMT -5
I've been watching since the beginning and I find that the episodes are more about the personal lives and not the case.
The Mystery Channel airs the episodes from the earlier seasons several times a day. Each weeknight's final airing is at 10:00PM and I find myself switching channels on Tuesdays more and more to the old tried and true episodes.
I'm afraid this show is no longer what it used to be, either.
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Post by Patcat on May 3, 2007 15:19:06 GMT -5
Let me start by saying I like all of the actors on SVU. But the problem I've always had with the show is that it lacks subtlety. Nothing has ever been held back on this show. A lot of this is personal taste--I like subtlety. Some people view my idea of subtle as vague and obscure. I fear, like others, that LOCI is losing its subtle qualities, but I've always felt SVU never had them.
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Post by SarahIvy on May 3, 2007 15:20:05 GMT -5
Well, I'll share my perspective, because I suspect I've flung a few nasty barbs about disliking SVU on this board. I quite liked SVU when it first started. I didn't mind the extra glimpses at how work life effected the detectives, I found it a new and fresh look at the old L&O formula. I really felt it hit its stride a couple of seasons in, I loved the addition of Ice-T, and I absolutely loved the character of Benson. But truly, I now think it's just a horrible show. It has nothing whatsoever to do with CI, or any comparisons therein. I just think it was a good show that went horribly wrong. The well written drama became pathetic soapy drek, and the main characters? Yeesh. They took perfectly good solid characters and destroyed them, turning both Olivia and Elliot into over-the-top ridiculous parodies. So, in a nushell, that's my problem with SVU. When a show goes so astray from any form of quality I think it deserves every negative thing I have to say about it.
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Post by hannah on May 3, 2007 15:24:02 GMT -5
I agree its not as great as it used to be, but I'm just saying that some of the things people say are a little insulting to me when they say its dumb TV. Does that make me dumb? Sorry I didn't start out by posting this in the TV section. And yes I love the element of subtlety CI has. I don't have any idea why Elliot still has his job with everything he's pulled. And when he killed someone he did bring it way too far. No matter how bad the person is, they deserve to be treated lawfully.
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Post by Cassie on May 3, 2007 15:59:43 GMT -5
I agree its not as great as it used to be, but I'm just saying that some of the things people say are a little insulting to me when they say its dumb TV. Does that make me dumb? Hi Holly, I feel all 3 shows aren't as great as they used to be. I think alot has to do with them just aging, and burning out. Plain and simple. I remember when I was a kid, I was a big fan of the Mod Squad. there was an episode where Juile (Peggy Lipton) was at an amusement park with a little boy and she got shot, and the bad guys where out to get her. Almost 20 years later, I happened to be watching Charlie's Angels, and no I wasn't a fan of that show. Its was made for guys .... but the same exact episode played out where Jacylns Smith character got shot at the amusement park, with a little boy...... now that was DUMB TV, Lazy too!!!.... That was Aaron Spelling. Dick Wolf and company, aren't dumb, or lazy. I feel they really try to please all of their audience. I just feel everyone is burning out. Sometimes I feel, that some of the dieheart fans, expect each new episode to be better then the last one. And in real life, it don't work that way. So why should we expect more out of our favorite TV Show? LOCI has always been my favorite Wolf creation. but at night, I will flip through the channels and watch SVU over L&O, before falling asleep. I think Mariska is beautiful, her character is flawed, and I like that, All of the characters are flawed on all of the shows and they are all working on their own issues. Actually I feel this is the first season for LOCI that they are showing Eames to have some issues, and its about time. I saw last night episode, and Olivia kicking the crap out of the rapist wasn't really necessary for the storyline..... But maybe Mariska, said "I want to pull a Stabler" I don't know.....I didn't find iit too unbelieveable for her character. I liked the ending. I liked how she and her half brother overcame. That part I really liked, cause it gives me hope in mankind, that some people, want to make the best of a bad situation that is handed to them. It seems both brother and sister got lemons in life. but in their relationship with each other. they tried to make lemonade and I really liked that. I am not sure what to say about her dad, Did he rape her mom, or didnt he?. Part of me thinks he did.
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Post by DonnaJo on May 3, 2007 16:28:51 GMT -5
Holly, please don't take my bashing SVU as a personal knock to you or anyone else. I watch American Idol. Does that make ME dumb? (don't answer that ) Seriously, my good friends adore Grey's Anatomy & Desperate Housewives. They love the melodrama & the romance. For me, that's not interesting. And let's face it. I love CI NOT just because of the in depth crime story, but more so to see my favorite actor/detective. So perhaps I'm as shallow as the next guy. Besides, try not to care what others think about your tastes in TV, movies, books, etc.. Be yourself. You are a beautiful person! ;D
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Post by hannah on May 3, 2007 18:06:50 GMT -5
Haha! *Blushes* thanks DonnaJo. My friends also watch that kind of stuff they try to get me into it, but I just cant... Hmmm... Cassie, I'd be a little disappointed if it turns out her mother was never raped. I mean in real life I'd hope just the opposite of course, but this is the TV world and thats how I like it. Its what makes her so interesting. "I'm a product of rape. Thats why I'm here," kind of thing and if they took that away she wouldn't have that same kind of connection with her victims. But seriously, what kind of rapist stalks his victims for years to come?
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Post by SarahIvy on May 3, 2007 18:10:21 GMT -5
Holly, I totally don't think you enjoying SVU makes you dumb any more than I think that loving The Girls Next Door or Celebrity Fit Club makes ME dumb. Maybe "dumbed down" isn't the most delicate way of saying it, but I believe it's true. Maybe I should just say it's become simplistic and stripped of nuance over the years...I feel the same way about CI this season (though it's nowhere near as bad, IMO). But it's an opinion about a show, not an opinion or statement about those who like it. Opinion is opinion and personal taste is just that. I think SVU sucks hard and you like it, and that's the way the world works! My personal opinions on SVU bear no reflection on you at all. And at the end of the day, it's just TV after all....it's for enjoyment, and no one should rag on someone else personally for what they do or do not like.
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Post by ragincajun on May 4, 2007 7:15:01 GMT -5
I like SVU too Holly, I started watching it before CI. Then I started watching CI in Season 4 and It became my fav. Then just to support the group I started watching the reruns and the new ones of the original last season. Now CI is my fav. CI and SVU are different and I like them both for different reasons. But I fear for CI, just like the Xfiles when I liked that one so much. I also liked Drive and the Black Donnelys, geez if you want a show canceled just ask me to like it.
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Post by untitled on May 18, 2007 23:14:37 GMT -5
And you know why? Because there is drama in SVU. Yes I said it, many people say it, many complain, but why are you complaining? SVU is and always has been soapy. So what do you expect? Do you feel that all brands should be the same. CI, has never really been soapy and you wouldn't really expect it to be. Which is probably why so many complain. But SVU....? - Quite honestly, There's always been bashing about SVU being too soapy ever since it started. It used to piss me off a couple of years ago, but every show at one point or another during it's run gets it. And since L&O, CI & TBJ are more strictly procedural than SVU ever was it really isnt a surprise that SVU is called the soapy one. The beauty of each L&O is that each is different, I wouldn't like it if each L&O were exactly like each other. It would be like watching the same show. The way I feel CSI Miami try's too hard to be like the original. It's all about a matter of perspective. Now personally, I watch SVU but I'd never watch Desperate House Wives. I feel that shows like DHW & Grey's Anatomy are too soapy. But I think that SVU has a good balance of procedural case and character drama. Now I know there are people who will disagree with me. But I think that the reason that many people feel SVU is too soapy is because the other L&O's are much more procedural, case based. I don't like Olivia's character lately, and that's who is dominating the screen when I tune in since she's returned from her baby & her Emmy. - Actually, back a couple of years ago. She was the most dominate character on the show. From about seasons 3-5. But I really miss Munch & Fin, their NEVER on the show anymore. And next season Munch is receding even farther back. Maybe it's also sour grapes too. That the subtlety in acting of a VDO goes unrewarded while the punching a perp by a Meloni & a kicking someone in the guts by a Hartiguay is applauded - Yes, your right he should be recognized, but the fact is award shows focus more on what's popular at the moment and right now SVU is much more popular now. Also I've noticed that the Emmy's focus more on what's in your face than finesse. And also, they dont nominate an actor by their performance through a whole season, it's only from one single episode. Personally, I think HE should have been nominated for "Blind Spot", he was heart breaking in that episode. At the very least, one of the L&O's is being recognized.
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Post by hannah on May 25, 2007 14:31:49 GMT -5
I agree untitled. I'm a little confused about nominating him for Blind Spot. Kathryn Erbe was nominated for that. IMO she really did deserve it. VDO was nominated for Endgame, anyway. I know I said earlier that someone who just watches it randomly wouldn't understand or enjoy, but I'm going to tweak what I said a little. I just mean the random viewer that doesn't like drama (or my grandmother whose elder and lives alone). I also think SVU has better ratings because its more easy to get into. For the people who complain about SVU and don't like the drama, I stick to what I said, but for the people who do enjoy the drama (which-- according to ratings in dramas-- is majority) will like it even if you are just a channel surfer because the sex crimes may captivate a random viewer... try not to take that as disturbing and twisted.
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Post by untitled on May 26, 2007 23:46:23 GMT -5
I'm a little confused about nominating him for Blind Spot. Kathryn Erbe was nominated for that. IMO she really did deserve it. VDO was nominated for Endgame, anyway. - Really? Sweet!
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Post by Patcat on May 27, 2007 13:48:15 GMT -5
I think we might be discussing the episodes that the actors submitted for Emmy consideration, not the actual nominations. Those haven't been announced yet.
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