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Post by Patcat on Aug 3, 2008 22:15:10 GMT -5
So, I'm the first?
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Post by Patcat on Aug 3, 2008 22:20:08 GMT -5
Sorry, some trouble with the machine.
I thought this was a solid episode, although one that makes me glad I was never Ivy League material.
Poor Paul. His father was practically painted red and had gills. What a red herring.
Goren, Eames and Ross were all professional and restrained. Ross appeared to be working well with the detectives. And there were plenty of opportunities for going on Goren tangents--the bad father with the history of schizophrenia in the family, the references to rats (guy even had to carry water).
Patcat
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Post by diablodeblanco on Aug 3, 2008 23:04:55 GMT -5
This is another episode that I noticed Goren fidgeting with his hands. They seem to be always in motion. I never noticed this before this season. Maybe it was always there but I didn't see it.
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Post by darmok on Aug 3, 2008 23:43:19 GMT -5
I didn't really find anything wrong with it, but it was just there. That's how I usually feel about the L/W episodes. It seemed like it could have been an SVU episode. That's not necessarily a bad thing; I like SVU. This episode just didn't do much for me.
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Post by darmok on Aug 3, 2008 23:59:02 GMT -5
This episode makes private/independent schools look bad. My daughter goes to an independent school, but not the most prestigious in town. But it's still a different world. She tells me that "everyone" has the best cell phone and I-pod, etc., and she's probably right. There's even the son of a TV star going there (and that's something for Albuquerque). Hopefully it's really not this cutthroat.
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Post by random on Aug 4, 2008 0:05:05 GMT -5
I agree that this was a workmanlike, serviceable episode, but not really one that grabbed at me in any way. I think the script was based on these two "ripped from the headlines" stories <A HREF= "http://nymag.com/news/features/45592/"> nymag.com/news/features/45592/ </A> <A HREF= "http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/15/internet.suicide.ap/"> www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/15/internet.suicide.ap/ </A> The denouement wasn't quite as satisfying as usual. They really seemed to be laying it on thick in setting up the father as the straw man, although maybe that was just a way to spotlight the actor, AKA "Eggcup Guy"
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Post by DonnaJo on Aug 4, 2008 6:27:22 GMT -5
Thanks for the links, random. While viewing the beat down in the woods, I was also reminded of the recent incident where a group of high school girls You Tubed themselves beating a fellow cheerleader because she supposedly dissed them & gossiped about them to others. I'll try and find the article.
Well, another episode devoid of Goren angst & partner conflict. That's fine with me. Although, as another poster elsewhere mentioned, there were ripe opportunities for Goren and the Dad of the murdered boy to get feisty with each other. Goren also looked & seemed very tired throughout the episode. Sleepless nights for Bobby, foreshadowing a real angst-fest in "Frame?"
Is it me, or is the beard thing getting old? I thought it looked a bit scraggy & unkept at times, but then more neat & trimmed at other times. I do like the beard in general, but will be glad to see Goren back in suits & clean shaven. Can we hope that season 8 will bring Goren back to more professional attire?
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Post by annabelleleigh on Aug 4, 2008 6:30:15 GMT -5
I really appreciate these links, Random, because they explain why the prep-school-kids-gone-bad story surfaced again in an L&O franchise show. Actually there's nothing wrong with treading over old ground as long as one brings some new insight to it. Unfortunately I found "Legacy" a mere variation on an old theme. Nothing clever, nothing illuminating. Perhaps Goren should have been less retrained (in an entertaining way). Here's the two-minute replay (after a brief word from our sponsor. "No celebrity endorsement implied.") www.usanetwork.com/series/criminalintent/video/2minreplay.htmland Katie Rorick's and Alan Kingsberg's commentary at www.usanetwork.com/series/criminalintent/video/commentary.htmlAlan Kingsberg is a pal of Charlie Rubin's and a fellow animation writer. (Rubin wrote the screenplay for "CyberWorld.") AL
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Post by nosee on Aug 4, 2008 8:01:25 GMT -5
Oh my gosh! You guys make it sound like an episode devoid of angst and partner conflict is a bad thing! I was happy that it was an episode devoid of angst and partner conflict because I know we will get plenty of that with "Frame".
I was happy that Goren, Eames, and Ross worked together so well. Ross understanding the myfriends site because he has teenage sons brought a smile to may face as well as Eames'. It's nice to see her smile.
Were there opportunites missed for Goren to go off and be Goren...yes, but was it a bad episode...I don't think so.
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Post by DonnaJo on Aug 4, 2008 8:06:21 GMT -5
Cute. Goren once again so absorbed in the case, he's distracted & devoid of social skills:
Goren spies Joe Cardinal as a model in the Admissions Brochure for Bristol
Goren: "You use models...we need this" (takes brochure & turns away)
Bristol Administrator: (dripping with sarcasm & disdain) "Your welcome"
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Post by nosee on Aug 4, 2008 8:11:26 GMT -5
That Bristol Administrator needed to be taken down a notch. Another cute scene.
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Post by annabelleleigh on Aug 4, 2008 8:24:49 GMT -5
IMO, Nosee, the personal angst has been overdone and is no longer entertaining.
Conflict is the heart of drama but I don't need to see it between Goren and Eames.
I think what some people are saying is that the episode was simply dull. Count me in on that too.
AL
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Post by Patcat on Aug 4, 2008 8:40:32 GMT -5
I didn't find it dull, but the final aria was a bit flat for me. I thought Ms. Erbe and Mr. D'Onofrio were fine in it, but the actor playing Jack didn't have enough fire for me. It was another one of those cases where it seemed that so much time was spent producing red herrings and going into the background of the crime that there wasn't enough time to spend on the criminal and his motivations.
I certainly like the angst between Goren and Eames--I think Goren and Eames as characters and their relationship is what sets LOCI apart--but for a procedural, this was a good effort.
Patcat
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Post by diablodeblanco on Aug 4, 2008 8:41:46 GMT -5
After watching the episode my first thought was.....yawn. It lacked the punch that a good G/E one has. I think the scene where the Bristol Administrator was not cooperating very well was one of the better scenes. When she insisted that the boy didn't go to Bristol and she didn't need to check the roster because she had it all in her head was when Goren realized that perhaps the boy really didn't go there. That's when he asked "you use models". I think when he took the brochure and walked away and the BA made her sarcastic remark, Goren didn't acknowledge her because she had been rude/uncooperative with them. I don't think it was because he was so absorbed in the brochure. I have always had a feeling that Goren has a wee bit of envy for the priviledged. I use to think it was disdain but now I feel it is more envy than disdain. JMO
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Post by diablodeblanco on Aug 4, 2008 8:47:56 GMT -5
The aria reminded me of the aria in Shrink-Wrapped. The two young actors "felt" the same to me.
I also would like to see Goren neaten up. Was he wearing jeans in the episode? Shave the beard and get back into a suit. He looks like someone who spent the night in an airport waiting for their delayed flight.
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