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Post by LOCIfan on Nov 13, 2004 13:36:18 GMT -5
Observer2, I was simply admitting that I'd be more inclined to believe something written about D'Onofrio that was positive -- which, for me, is true. Yes, I might think it overblown, but (absent factual inaccuracies) I'd at least WANT to believe the gist of whatever was said. Now, don't get me wrong -- I think the factual inaccuracies in the Post article that nick pointed out speak volumes and detract from the objective credibility of the entire, trashy thing. The other thing is that I tend to be more interested in an actor's work than his/her personal life. So I do see OintmentFly's point about the fact that none of us knows him which makes speculating about his personal behavior an exercise in futility. I don't know the guy. I don't know anyone who knows him. Maybe he is a big jerk. To me, as long as his work remains good, it's almost irrelevant and it's certainly none of my business. Aside from the fact that I hope Vincent isn't ill, I have a hard time taking any of the other stuff too seriously (positive OR negative). But I wanted to try to see it from OintmentFly's perspective, and found it did make some sense to me. Personally, I'm ready to get back to discussions of the show itself!! Best, LOCIfan p.s. OintmentFly, you're sure living up to your name!!
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Post by Sirenna on Nov 13, 2004 18:55:35 GMT -5
I've always been more likely to believe people will disappoint me until proven otherwise.
I don't know Vincent and he don't know me but I know his work. Note I don't say I know HIM through his work. I do, as many of us can, separate the actor from the role. But I do know two things: his past work history and who calls him a friend. For me he shines in both areas.
He can accomplish great things, creatively, while not holding up production because otherwise that would have been apparent in the quality of his past projects. Projects hampered by budges and time constraints show in the quality and the shortcuts taken. His projects are creatively innovative, inspirational to many of us, and he is always memorable for the role he played. He's such a memorable character actor that he can consume a role so completely while subsuming his own personality so completely that I never recognized half the roles he played were roles I had already taken note of - I just never knew they all by the same guy! That is amazing to me.
I can also make a call on the type of guy he might be by who his friends are: Joquaim, Jeanie Garafulo, Rene, etc. These are people I consider to be very good indeed at what they do professionally. I've found equal ability, especially if it's in different areas, breeds respect, and unequal ability, more often than not, breeds jealously.
I can also make a call on the type of guy he is by the way he helps others. He gives advice and support to new actors. He volunteers at theatre school. He helps his sister with her acting workshops. He volunteers his time for the Kerry campaign and, probably for charitable works which are not public knowledge. For instance, I know he lost many firefighting friends in 9/11.
All in all, he seems like a good guy. Everyone is a jerk to someone at some point in their lives. If you've managed to go through life without breaking a heart, or taking a stand against something or someone then you haven't lived life as fully as you ought to have, nor have you taken all the opportunities life has offered you. Everyone has faults and failings but everyone has good in them too and, I'm sure Vincent is no exception. He's just held to a higher standard because his acting is so good that his ability to connect across the screen makes us seem to know him deeply.
He's probably been both nice and naughty. But the sum total of this boy, for me at least, is very positive. I like that he's in the world. His creativity has made it a brighter place for me.
Let's just say, I would definately invite him to one of my dinner parties!
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Post by KATIE on Nov 14, 2004 6:28:56 GMT -5
I have just been reading the posts on Vincent here, and I have to say this board Is one of the most positive boards Ive seen. None of you fans bite each other when you post your opinions, which on alot of boards they do. You should be very proud of this Fan site and I bet Vincent Is too. I just loved reading your post Sirenna you said everything perfectly about Vincent. God bless you lovely people love Katie My prayers are with Vincent.
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Post by Metella on Nov 14, 2004 6:51:42 GMT -5
Good point about smoking and drinking - both to any excess will stress a body and continued excess can lead to some nasty health & mental problems.
Also counted amoung Mr. D'Onofrio's friends was Gregory H; two flicks together which also says volumes & specifically the last one, geared towards kids & I think done not as a money maker but for fun. I recently let myself get burned by tolerating as a friend someone who had a very harsh side married with a gossipy mouth - I rarely regret extending friendship, but I regret having my name connected with this negative person as a past friend. Sigh. You'd think I'd be old enough now to realize at once I should have just been polite and walked away.
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Post by romulanavatra3 on Nov 14, 2004 8:37:50 GMT -5
mettela i am sorry to hear about you trouble with somebody i hope they are not a member of this board. no offecne mettlea but that would explain why you have been shall we say a little stand offish recently. i as do most people hope things with vicnet turn out for the best and he returns soon. i also hope the rene and the rest of the crew have a contigency plan read in case vincent for some unsaid reason should decide to unexpectdly leave the series. i mean no offence to vicnet but if he was to leave i thin kthey should shift the focus to katrhyn and introduce a new character in same sort of manner they did each time lennie got a new partner on the original, maybe with a bit more background. because if they were to say introduce a new character to replcace vicent in his role it would not work beccuase of the way the series is structued. i mean you could replace vincent but the fomat for the new character in my view have to be closer to the original for a possible shift to work. now all of this idle speculation on a possible scenario which i do not intend to debate wether i could happen or not. i am not going to gossip about vincent i am wish him the best and hope to see him retun to the series a soon as possible. reagrds rom.
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Post by OintmentFly on Nov 14, 2004 13:31:34 GMT -5
Yes, I do find the posts naive. This is based on my personal experience working in film and television. What the public sees/knows of celebrities is so distorted. Lots of actors with extremely positive public images are, in reality, terrors to work with.
And, yes, the "inside" source could be fired for leaking negative press about the show's lead, even if it's true. I have seen it happen.
The shooting schedules for feature films are very different from those of series television. Film shoots are of limited duration. Often a difficult actor holds it together during the duration of the shoot -- particularly if he/she is not the lead. Series television, on the other hand, shoots for years on end (with hiatuses). That creates a situation where a lead has time to devolve, whether due to rapid succes of the show, exhaustion from grueling shooting schedules, creative frustrations or personal problems. It is not at all uncommon for a show in its fourth, fifth, sixth season to be an extremely dysfunctional environment due to a lead actor's terrible behavior. The same series may very well have been a functional work environment during its earlier years in production.
As for Wolf's reputation for not tolerating bad behavior from actor, he's been able to do that on his other series because they're ensemble dramas. Crim Intent is not like that. D'Onofrio is the lead. Replacing him would be much more disruptive to CI than replacing one of the main actors on any of his other shows.
D'Onofrio is known to have a temper. Andrew McCarthy stated publicly that D'Onofrio threatened him with physical violence on the set of CI in May, 2003. And who knows what may be going on in his personal life, other than the recent divorce -- which must be stressful, especially with a child involved.
Whether or not reports of D'Onofrio's behavior are accurate, my point is that I do not find the claims outrageous. They are tame compared to some of the antics I've witnessed (by individuals I'd never have believed to be capable of behaving in such ways. In fact, wouldn't have believed if I hadn't seen it).
Thanks to everyone on the board for tolerating a different point of view. I appreciate it.
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Post by trisha on Nov 14, 2004 15:20:58 GMT -5
No need to thank us, we are all about different and opposing view points I find it hard to believe that someone could be fired for telling the truth without having cause to sue -- unless there was some sort of confidentiality agreement. In the case of a confidentiality agreement, this "insider" would be proving themselves to be an unethical person, as well as an ignorant one. When you give your word, you ought to keep it, and if you don't know the fact's, you shouldn't present your information as if you did. You should also have the balls to stand by your words, and both concede and apologize when your are wrong. Integrity and honor: how tragic that so few humans possess these traits these days. So, I still do not trust this person, or page six. Call me naive, but there is just not enough evidence to support either. I do think that CI could survive without D'Onofrio, especially with the focus that is being given to the other characters lately. As D'Onfrio has implied in interviews that he will not sign on again, he may have made himself less of a commodity for the show already. Perhaps this belongs on a new thread, but I would love to see the show go on with a new "profiler" partnered with Eames. Even though she is being shown with more psychological insight, she is not ready to fill Goren's shoes. I think it would be interesting to see her with someone less kooky, but still very visceral and unapologetically blunt -- people like that are always fun
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Post by vscharactergirl on Nov 14, 2004 18:01:52 GMT -5
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Hello everyone, this is my first post and yes it is in response to ALL of yours, regarding Vincent's trip to the hospital. I have read them all and would like to say that all of them have an air of validity, but as is human nature ultimately we will believe what we want too, based on our own personal needs/wants. For those who need Vincent to be a flawless hero then so shall he be, and for those who need him to be a flawed relatable man, then so be it. "Fly" is right, in saying that we don't know (for sure) what his beaviour is like on set/or the 'real' man behind the personas, but my question is why do we need too.... ultimately it is the characters portrayal that engages us and intrigues us and the subsequent recognition of the talent that brings it to life. Others are right in recognizing The Post as a rag riddled too often with sensationalism and inaccuracies, and somewhere in the middle of it all lies the truth !! I love this man's talent/ability/gift. and will continue to watch everything he puts out there, but that does not afford him the right to treat others poorly or behave in a 'diva' like fashion, he's only one man and NO ONE is irreplaceable. So I shall choose to keep an open and hopeful mind, wish him well in all of his endeavours and look forward to the rest of the season. thank you so much for reading my long winded post and appreciate the forum Best Regards
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Post by Sirenna on Nov 14, 2004 18:25:01 GMT -5
Actually ointmentfly thinks Vincent is difficult to work with. (He said: "Vincent will return to the set on Tuesday. If his behavior doesn't improve, he will be fired." Although if this isn't your opinion, we would still be interested, Ointmentfly, to know where or how it is that you know this as a fact.) Most of the rest of us simply think he is a great actor who, as a man, probably has his good points and bad points as do we all. but I don't see how who he is when he is not acting really matters anyway. We/I'll never meet him. Another pro-Vincent-as-a-good guy point is he gets the job done when it comes to his work. He has funded a production out of his own pocket when it ran low on funds. I forget which film that was. I do feel uncomfortable, however, with the comments on his marriages, even though so far no-one on the board has made judgements on this. But could we keep his keep his family off-limits on this thread? My spidey sense predicts a purging of double log-in names coming up soon anyway. Metella: Gregory Hines! Of course, I can't believe I didn't mention him. Re: you pseudo friend, I learned the same lesson in just as harsh a fashion. Oh, well, you're better off. I can appreciate that many factors are triggers for any addictive habit but, when all's said and done, stopping smoking/drinking/sex/drugs/etc has to happen irregardless of whether the counselling and support happens before, during or after the decision and action to quit.
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Post by vscharactergirl on Nov 14, 2004 19:05:02 GMT -5
That film was The Whole Wide World, one of D'Onofrio's best works and certainly the one he is most proud of. (A fact he has stated in many different interviews). And yes I agree with you Sirenna about ointmentfly's comment on Vincent returning to work Tuesday and if he doesn't behave....etc Haven't seen it reported anywhere else.....ooohhh maybe he is the Page Six insider ;D
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Post by Enthralled on Nov 14, 2004 19:09:11 GMT -5
Thanks Sirenna - my sentiments exactly. Enough said.
As we have not had any word about him in the last few days, let's hope nothing serious is wrong with him and he is well on the way to feeling better.
I am looking forward to 49 minutes from now when I can comment on something that I do know about - my reaction to tonight's LOCI!
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Post by KATIE on Nov 15, 2004 1:10:04 GMT -5
Im not going to say too much, but I would like to clear one thing up without getting Into Vincents personal life. the fact that everbody thinks he was married twice when It was only once To Caren. He was never married to Greta. If anyone would like to know more on this story please let me know where It can be discussed. I would like to add to the Andrew McCarthy story, there was a little more to the piece written about his being fired. Quote: Dick Wolf said McCarthy engaged In fractious behaviour from the moment he walked on the set. I also read this year that McCarthy has a drinking problem, that might explain "the fractious behaviour". McCarthy also said that he refused to have a fellow actor try to direct him. Gee Rene Zelweger thanked Vincent for teaching or should It be directing her how to act, and has always remembered that. Rene Is a big starr now maybe McCarthy could learn a little from that. Also Vince has said himself he Is hard to live with, i think If we taped ourselves 24 hrs a day and played It back we would find alot of things about ourselves that we dont even notice on a day to day basis. The Guy Is human he has faults I dont deny that and Im not naive about the actor or the person In real life. What and who he Is Is his private life not mine, I just want to see his acting, and ok he makes good eye candy, i admit It he Is handsome. thanks for listening, get well soon Vince. Katie
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Post by amnesic on Nov 15, 2004 7:04:10 GMT -5
I know nothing about VDO's personal life or personality, and frankly, I don't care. As long as he keeps bringing in the performances I'm happy
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Post by Techguy on Nov 15, 2004 12:36:32 GMT -5
Lots of excellent comments have already been made, so I'll try not to repeat what others have said too much. As of today, I still haven't read anything new about whether Vincent D'Onofrio is still in the hospital or not. If anyone knows, please tell.
The bottom line is, based on what we already KNOW for a fact, we can only speculate on what might or might not have happened about the cause of his fainting and the subsequent gossip printed in The New York Post. In the absence of concrete evidence, that's all it still is--gossip. We as individuals will tend to believe what we want to believe, it's only human nature to do so.
But we are all imperfect human beings, and Vincent D'Onofrio is no exception. Based on the track record of the Post, plus comments about him made by fellow actors, the evidence would seem to suggest that the gossip has very little merit. And while I would prefer that those who traffic in such nonsense would pack up their tents and go away, I know that's not going to happen. Because, unfortunately, it's also a fact of imperfect human nature that many people seek, spread, and devour gossip no matter how outrageous the source.
I hope that whatever affected Vincent D'Onofrio wil be diagnosed and treated quickly so he can return to the CI set in complete health. From now on, I am determined to only discuss episodes, movies, and subjects directly related to his professional work and refrain from speculatiing on this or that which I have no personal knowledge of or interest in.
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Post by Major Hathaway on Nov 15, 2004 15:00:40 GMT -5
General warning:
You guys are doing good but dancing really close to personal life gossiping - keep going if you wish, just watch that you keep it a notch about the gutter.
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