Was no one else bothered by all the flashbacks, so very much a rip off of Cold Case? I hope that trend stops, tbph.
I just hope they tell us what mike goes on to next, maybe he will open a bar. Maybe Goren/Eames Jeff/Wheeler could go there and ask for help. But the thing about being abused by a priest. I thought a friend offered him up to a priest, but he didn't get abused by a priest. Any die hard Original Law and Order fans, know for sure?
I figured Wheelers relationship would get ruined. Poor MCS they can't get a break in the relationship department.
This episode I felt was a fairly strong one until the end. I didn't feel any closure from this episode for Logan at all. I know I had these visions of Logan throwing his badge on Ross' desk, saying I'm done and walking off into the sunset. God, I wish that would have happened. The end showed the conflict within in Logan, but it left me wanting to know what happened with him. How does he resolved this? It's a great way to end a season , it makes you want to see what happens but it's not a great way to end a character's run. I wanted a good-bye but didn't get it.
I only pretend not to listen to you.....Detective Alexandra Eames
Great job by Noth - I am still sad to see him go -oh well.
I thought the episode was great until the ending. I also thought that the guy in prison would not be set free and that in order to push for his release, Logan would have to resign (not storm out - but saying something like "I have to fight for this guy") and that is how we see Logan on screen for the last time.
This ending was weak - was it weak because the writers wanted to leave an opening for Logan to come back? was it weak because they are in love with thier own agnst and wanted an ambiguous ending? What? if it was the season ender - it would have been fine; but it was the Logan finale forever & as such it was NOT fine. I am very disappointed again at the writing.
I think the finance was set up due to retaliation towards Logan .... that could be a story line next year with Ross getting political and forceful to defend his cops. That is overly dramatic, but ok with me.
I thought the final scene with the priest was pretty believable - Just not fitting for the last ever Logan scene.
This may be a stupid question, but why didn't they have Ross go to McCoy to deal with this obnoxious ladder climbing ADA? Or why didn't Logan go see McCoy himself? It's not like they don't have a history. They worked together when McCoy was an ADA.
Or is it possible to talk to the DA without going through the ADA's
That lady ADA (I'm sorry I don't remember her name) held way too much power. She needed to be brought down more than just a notch. Something tells me that we will be seeing more of her next season. That does not make me happy.
Maybe Goren and Eames will go a round or two with her. Oh what fun.
I only pretend not to listen to you.....Detective Alexandra Eames
I have kept mum for most of this season, b/c if you can't say anything nice, yada yada yada. Happy to say I thought this one was outstanding. The epitome of what L&O was always all about. This ep was the best blend of personal angst and proceedural politio stuff CI has ever done. Classic Mothership at it's best did it better, but CI has always overdone the dramah to the point of being silly. "I'm not dead Mike..." and every NW ep since POI. This time was a perfect balance.
I'm giving it an A-, b/c I thought Wheeler's lovers arrest was a bit OTT, but I get the point was to demonstrate how the job eats you up and spits you out, no one is safe, more innocents getting destroyed by the system, etc.
I too would have loved to see McCoy make a cameo. Sam Waterston is the best thing that happened to the whole franchise, with Lenny being a close 2nd. That said, I always appreciate it when Logan mentions Briscoe, as he did in this ep. FWIW, they did make the point several times that this ADA was from Queens. not Manhattan. I think that makes it not McCoys problem.
Noth has been looking every inch the A list movie star the 2nd half of this season. Hats off to his stylist. I complained ad nauseum when Noth came on board CI. but I sit corrected. He gave us some great eps. The Logan character really helped flesh out Ross too. Yup, Mikey served well. I read Wolf's comments that no actor is indespensible, but that there would always be a place in L&O world for Logan. Maybe we'll see him again someday.
In the meantime, I"m looking forward to Goldblum. I have learned after 19 years of being a L&O an to trust TPTB. He's going to be fun to watch! I am on the fence about whether I'm going to watch next week. I despise the Goren of the past 2 seasons, I have hated NW since Great Barrier (which, let's face it is an embarrassment) but I'm holding out hope for a return to greatness!
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I agree that the episode was rather riveting until the end. The story was compelling, there was the man with no past angle (I can never get enough of those), the actor who played Nichols hit all of the right notes, and the subplot with Weaver and her fiance was woven in well. Logan was really intense here, which I think might have been a deliberate choice on the part of Noth. In taking away Logan's usual sardonic humor, he led us to the conclusion that Logan was losing his coping strategy.
I didn't like the end because of the lack of closure with Logan that everyone has noted. I also felt he was scapegoating the priest. Taking out his anger on an injured party isn't usually Logan's style.
I also had questions about the arrest of Wheeler's fiance. If you arrest a guy, you do need evidence to charge him. In financial crimes, doesn't that usually come after week of combing through boxes of subpoenaed documents? Can a Queens ADA trigger all of that on the federal side without any basis in fact? If not, then maybe he really is guilty, and Wheeler is out a fiance?
I did really dig the detail in Ross' office. I had never before noticed the picture of Ross with Bloomberg, the diploma, or what looked like an historic map of Brooklyn.
This may be a stupid question, but why didn't they have Ross go to McCoy to deal with this obnoxious ladder climbing ADA? Or why didn't Logan go see McCoy himself? It's not like they don't have a history. They worked together when McCoy was an ADA....
Not at all Nosee. I'd say that's a very smart question. Dick Wolf has created this L&O reality with three settings that are meant to exist in the same general time and place.
Even though this episode's ADA from Hell worked under a different DA (the one in Queens County; McCoy oversees New York County, i.e. Manhattan) it would have made sense for Logan to seek out his old colleague. For advice if not direct help.
However, from everything I've read, the respective creative teams perceive themselves to occupy parallel universes. Which makes me ask myself: What's that all about? Ego? Territory? Because the L&O series, on special occasions, could take advantage of crossover episodes and juice the audience numbers in the same way "Without A Trace" and "CSI" did (very successfully) last season. Coordination is extra hard work but it has its rewards. Yet something stops it in the Wolfian world.
SVU doesn't film its interior shots at Chelsea Piers but CI and the mothership both do.
Your suggestion about McCoy is a logical one on several points -- not the least of which is this: When Arthur Branch/Fred Thompson was DA, he made appearances on all three shows. Now we don't even have the same Chief of Ds on SVU and CI.
The new CI team -- at least Walon Green and Michael Chernuchin for the G/E episodes -- apparently has close ties to mothership showrunner Rene Balcer. Perhaps in the future we'll see a change in resistance to episode collaboration.