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Post by deathroe on Mar 6, 2008 5:27:19 GMT -5
I didn't watch it, but what I take it is a spoiler of the shiptastic variety follows. I'd appreciate the perspective of someone else who actually saw it. * * * * * * * * * * Logan and Olivet starting from the earliest days of the Mothership? Did that really happen last night? Frankly I'm not sure how I feel about that. I didn't get that sense from "To the Bone," for example. If they pull an Eames and Deakins on us I'm going to cry foul. Addendum: ?!!!!!!!!
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Post by DonnaJo on Mar 6, 2008 9:30:47 GMT -5
Was that Logan they were talking about on the stand? I couldn't tell & have never seen the episode where Olivet has this personal relationship with a Detective who was her client. That being said, I though having Olivet as a guest was brilliant! Doesn't that woman age? She looked great! Cutter & McCoy were really sleazy last night. "Roughing up" (per my hero Lupo) that young girl to testify against her mom & destroying Olivet on the witness stand. And Connie was very much along for the ride.
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Post by deathroe on Mar 6, 2008 12:58:44 GMT -5
Gosh, I feel like it would make me sad to watch that. I can see McCoy doing that to Olivet, mind you, and she always was a wee bit of a martyr, if memory serves.
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Post by trisha on Mar 6, 2008 13:32:10 GMT -5
Yes, I'm pretty sure they never showed Logan and Olivet in bed together, if that's what you mean, but yes, there was definitely an implied relationship there. I always got the feeling that it would (even should) come back to bite her on the ass. Knowing that he had been severly abused by his mother and his problems with intimacy, for her to go from therapist to lover with him was wrong, wrong, wrong on so many levels. She deserved every bit of what she got, imo.
And yes again to her her being a martyr. She got her self raped by trying to pull of her own sting on an OBGYN who she knew had raped one of her patients. I know, I know, don't blame the victim, but knowing what she knew ... she was a total dumbass for going into that situation.
And, continuing on my heartless string of thoughts <g>, I thought Cutter did the right thing by getting the 14 yo to tell the truth. Using the idea of the guilt she would have felt at seeing him take the little brother down was fine by me as it would have been nothing compared to the guilt she would have felt over lying to help her mother get away with her fathers murder, imo.
I missed who wrote this episode, anyone know? It was quite a show. Two very enthusiastic thumbs up!
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Post by DonnaJo on Mar 6, 2008 16:53:44 GMT -5
The episode was written by Richard Sweren & Gina Gionfriddo (of CI fame). Not to mention a whole list of producers, co producers who were formerly with CI. All that talent gone over to the mothership. Happy for them.....sad for us.
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Post by susan1212 on Mar 6, 2008 21:05:11 GMT -5
I often wondered if Logan and Olivet would get together, but I didn't realize they had. There was a chemistry between them way back when.
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Post by Penn O'Hara on Mar 7, 2008 17:19:43 GMT -5
I don't see it happening between Logan and Olivet.
In the early seasons, there was a friendly professional wrangling between them in one particular episode when he joked about her IQ and she joked about his experience (lack of) with women with high IQs. I felt it wasn't antagonistic though. They both had the positive self-esteem to ride the joke maturely. And I doubt if it lead to UST. We've no idea if Olivet was married in the first five seasons while Logan was in Manhattan, but we know from "To The Bone", she eventually starts a family. Due to no evidence of a husband or husband support in "Helpless", we may assume she's not married or involved during Season 3. If she married later, I don't see her risking family and career to dally with a detective. But if she was unmarried and *open* to dallying with a detective, I still don't see her choosing Logan. In her line of work, employed by such a large police department as the NYPD, there would have been more than one detective losing partners in the line of duty. Logan nearly lost two in two years and then managed to shoot someone else's partner in "To The Bone".
I also don't see Logan being receptive to an affair with her. He knows he's got too many flags a psych would just *love* to unfurl. But we do know that Logan was deeply affected when Liz was raped in "Helpless". And yes, he didn't go pyscho, so proprietorial lover feelings weren't involved. So, I inferred a friendship beyond the professional but not a sexual relationship.
I see them as developing a friendship, his based on gratitude for her help and an enlightened respect for her as a professional and hers as an enlightened respect that someone so adamant *could* work his way through that adamancy. A good and close friendship -- but not an affair. Logan mentioned dating a physio in another episode, so he doesn't limit himself, but I still see him wary of getting emotionally involved with a psychiatrist.
All that said though, I thought it was way cool for the writers to throw that little crumb/red herring at us. I loved it. And who knows? Maybe that's precisely what the writers *were* saying. I thank them for leaving it open to interpretation, so that I may interpret it as NOT Logan, whereas others who are so inclined may interpret it AS Logan. Everyone's happy.
If you'd like to read other fans' takes on the matter, go here:
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Post by NikkiGreen on Mar 7, 2008 19:12:38 GMT -5
I thought it was implied that Logan and Olivet were dating.
And it was revealed in Season 4 by Dr. Olivet that she'd never been married (in the episode, "Breeder").
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Post by diablodeblanco on Mar 8, 2008 3:45:14 GMT -5
Whether if was Logan or another detective, Olivet should lose her license. She crossed a very big line. BTW....I think it was Logan.
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Post by ragincajun on Mar 8, 2008 11:42:19 GMT -5
I agree, it was Logan, I don't recall what series but I remember their relationship coming into question before. But I think it was a one time thing.
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Post by maherjunkie on Mar 8, 2008 12:06:12 GMT -5
I don't see it happening between Logan and Olivet.
In the early seasons, there was a friendly professional wrangling between them in one particular episode when he joked about her IQ and she joked about his experience (lack of) with women with high IQs. I felt it wasn't antagonistic though. They both had the positive self-esteem to ride the joke maturely. And I doubt if it lead to UST. We've no idea if Olivet was married in the first five seasons while Logan was in Manhattan, but we know from "To The Bone", she eventually starts a family. Due to no evidence of a husband or husband support in "Helpless", we may assume she's not married or involved during Season 3. If she married later, I don't see her risking family and career to dally with a detective. But if she was unmarried and *open* to dallying with a detective, I still don't see her choosing Logan. In her line of work, employed by such a large police department as the NYPD, there would have been more than one detective losing partners in the line of duty. Logan nearly lost two in two years and then managed to shoot someone else's partner in "To The Bone".
For some reason I thought those were her nieces. Deathroe, what did you mean by "pulling an Eames and Deakins"? I never read anything into their relationship.
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Post by deathroe on Mar 8, 2008 13:45:16 GMT -5
All I meant was that I hope they didn't pull some prior relationship out of the woodwork on CI's, whosever it was. I suppose that I seized on Eames/Deakins as being the one with the greatest potential to irk me, although I believe that it is a reasonably popular topic for fan fiction *s*
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Post by Jefferaldo on Mar 20, 2008 1:41:51 GMT -5
I agree, it was Logan, I don't recall what series but I remember their relationship coming into question before. But I think it was a one time thing. I remember this aswell. I think it was the case where Olivet was raped by the OBGYN and she was on the witness stand being questioned about whether or not she was an agent of the police. The attorney asked something like "Not only are you Det. Logan's colleague but you are his friend". I can't remember but the attorney implied that there was a relationship there.
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Post by DonnaJo on Oct 5, 2008 8:12:58 GMT -5
This exceptional episode from last season replayed a few nights back on TNT. Anyone catch it?
A few things I noticed the second time around. One was the unlikelihood that a judge would allows someone who claimed to be mentally unstable to run her own defense. Yet, I do recall Colin Ferguson (the LIRR shooter) being permitted to be his own counsel. Of course, it was a farce watching him do so on the evening news. But really, how common is it?
Also, why would Jack McCoy act so pissed off & upset that Dr. Olivet testified for the defense--she's done it at least twice before and has on many occasions refused to testify for the prosecution. Is he losing his cool now, what with the enormous pressures of being the DA?
As for the episode itself, it was a good one, with a lot of great character moments. For the fans of this board, the ending revelation was very Criminal Intent-ish! Cutter breaking the defendant on the stand and all.
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Post by dragonsback on Oct 5, 2008 10:35:11 GMT -5
This exceptional episode from last season replayed a few nights back on TNT. Anyone catch it? A few things I noticed the second time around. One was the unlikelihood that a judge would allows someone who claimed to be mentally unstable to run her own defense. Yet, I do recall Colin Ferguson (the LIRR shooter) being permitted to be his own counsel. Of course, it was a farce watching him do so on the evening news. But really, how common is it? Also, why would Jack McCoy act so pissed off & upset that Dr. Olivet testified for the defense--she's done it at least twice before and has on many occasions refused to testify for the prosecution. Is he losing his cool now, what with the enormous pressures of being the DA? As for the episode itself, it was a good one, with a lot of great character moments. For the fans of this board, the ending revelation was very Criminal Intent-ish! Cutter breaking the defendant on the stand and all. Lemme see. Re the mentally unstable acting in their own defense: One of the finest eps ever that did just this was "Pro Se". It's a classic ep, DJ, and you would love it and never forget it. if you haven't seen it, see if you can srounge around the net. . The acting is remarkable, the drama taut and unsentimental but deeply affecting (probably because it was pure unsweetened tragedy, with even more tragic moments of great nobility and intelligence, as the personality of the schizophrenic surfaced for a time, then submerged beneath the illness. Re Olivet: Have no idea what the ep was called, but Olivet did refuse McCoy, or gave testimony against his case, on one memorable occasion, and he was absolutely cold with fury. To her face. Scorn heaped on top of scorn. It was realistic behaviour, none of this "Oh, as long as you were true to yourself, I understand" crap. Nope, if he could have ripped her heart out through her mouth, he would have.
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