vdovault
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Post by vdovault on Feb 12, 2006 11:57:57 GMT -5
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cifan
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Post by cifan on Feb 12, 2006 12:37:28 GMT -5
Yes, I love the the music too. I got my copy of Salt On Our Skin for less than $10 also. I found it on Ebay, it shipped from Korea but it was formatted for US.
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vdovault
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Post by vdovault on Feb 12, 2006 21:48:51 GMT -5
That Korean DVD is pretty cool because it has a kind of music video for Salt On Our Skin
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Post by Sirenna on Feb 13, 2006 13:00:04 GMT -5
it goes to show how his popularity has increased as a direct function of being on the TV show for the past five years.
I really like this movie too btw.
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Feb 13, 2006 14:11:08 GMT -5
Sirenna>> Yeah, you can say that again, but the upside is you can find more of his movies for rent these days. I went in that lovely Hollywood Video of mine with a list of all his movies on a sheet of paper & they had all but: Dangerous lives of Alter Boys, The Winner, Hotel Paradise & Naked Tango. Borders picks up the slack though & has most of the movies I couldn't find to rent... even if their only in VHS.
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Post by Techguy on Feb 13, 2006 17:10:54 GMT -5
Kawaiidragonfoe, did your Hollywood Video have "Claire Dolan," "Household Saints," "Guy," "The Taking of Pelham 123," and "Perverse Destiny with The Investigator" on it?
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Feb 14, 2006 11:17:38 GMT -5
No, they didn't ( sorry I forgot to list those in my last post, i've been feeling under the weather ).
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Post by Patcat on Mar 24, 2007 14:57:53 GMT -5
Would anyone be interested in a discussion of this exasperating movie?
Patcat
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Post by gibbsfandan on Mar 24, 2007 19:45:17 GMT -5
I'm game, I guess mostly because I have a lot to learn about some of the issues involved. — First off, I have a question: Do you think George is typical or not of the '50's-60's-era feminists, the ones whose philosophies were so strongly shaped by Simone de Beauvoir's The Second Sex?
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Post by Metella on Mar 26, 2007 6:49:50 GMT -5
I think they were closer to being typical than not - but certainly not all feminists acted this way. I think mainly she was a snob - for what reason I don't know & though she ended up loving him .... it was too late - in the beginning all she loved was the physical and the excitment & then wanted to go back to the life she was trying to build.
I HATED the storyline in this movie. I also couldn't imagine him letting himself get strung along until he was old and grey. For a while, yes, even during the early parts of his marriage, yes - but not the whole thing.
I dispise both characters for being weak and selfish and for NEVER taking a time out to evaluate themselves. Shame on them.
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Post by Patcat on Mar 26, 2007 8:50:27 GMT -5
Both characters were selfish and weak, but I found Gavin a far more sympathetic character than George. I regard myself as feminist--although in my case that means that I believe women and men should both be simply treated with the same respect and care because we're all human--but George strikes me as the sort of woman who, while not necessarily badly treated by a man, tends to blame men for all of her troubles. What I see in the film is a woman who uses all of the men she comes in contact with. Admittedly, we don't see her husband and we see very little of her lover and her son, but all we see of those relationships is her manipulating them. Gavin is, when they're both young, pathetically eager to change for her--I wonder if he sees her as a way to escape the life that seems planned for him--but she's so selfish and snobbish that she slaps him away. George is the kind of woman that gives feminism a bad name.
For me, part of the problem is that Mr. D'Onofrio gives such a good performance that I find myself rooting for Gavin. Gavin certainly isn't without his faults, but George pursues him--at least when she wants him. Gavin may use George's view of him as an excuse for his failings, but I can't help but think there's some truth in his statement, "You wanted a fisherman, you got a fisherman." I don't know if Greta Sacci simply isn't as good an actor as Mr. D'Onofrio, or if she's poorly directed here or has an impossible part, but for me Mr. D'Onofrio conveys so much and makes Gavin such a complicated man that I find George all surface and no substance.
Boy, I'm being hard on George, aren't I?
Patcat
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Post by Metella on Mar 26, 2007 15:47:06 GMT -5
Well the character of George comes off as totally unsympathetic - so yes, you are being hard on George - but so am I and so are many. I actually do NOT think the writers & directors or Greta meant for her to have this reaction - I think they wanted the audience torn equally between the two of them.
I think Greta's acting in this was AWEFUL - she had a fake - OH I'm so surprised (like a 3 year old) look on her face for nearly all her scenes - she has ok in other movies - but had no depth whatsoever in this one. I usually don't pick directly on an actor & give more blame on the writing or directing - but I think this was a dismal Greta failure.
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Post by Patcat on Mar 27, 2007 8:51:51 GMT -5
Has anyone read the book the film is based on? Is George portrayed in a more sympathetic and complex manner?
I know that Mr. D'Onofrio has been faulted for his accent in this film, but I found it convincing and I could understand him. I also thought he retained it in all of his scenes.
Patcat
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Post by Metella on Mar 27, 2007 10:32:35 GMT -5
Good question, Patcat. That would shed some more light on the George character.
The accent didn't bother me either. If it was bad, it was consistantly bad & just seemed like a local dilect to me.
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Post by Patcat on Mar 27, 2007 10:59:44 GMT -5
I'd be interested in a guy's reaction to this film.
Patcat
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