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Post by jeffan on Jan 25, 2009 14:37:32 GMT -5
Online report says episodes starring new star Jeff Goldblum are "terrible" and caused both delays of new season. Look into my eyes... All you Law & Order: Criminal Intent fans out there are probably wondering what the hold up is after USA delayed the drama's season premiere twice, the most recent coming a few days ago. The answer: The Fly. Technically, the man who played The Fly, according to a report from Fox News. Citing sources inside the Criminal Intent fortress, Fox says that new star Jeff Goldblum's character hasn't exactly been up to par. "The two episodes they have [with Goldblum] are terrible," the source reportedly said, specifically calling out the Jurassic Park star. Goldblum is taking over for departing star Chris "Mr. Big" Noth. So terrible that new producer Robert Nathan, the man who worked on Goldblum's half of the episodes (the other half stars Vincent D'Onofrio), has allegedly been axed. USA Network delayed the show in October and again this week; the program's new season was supposed to begin airing last fall, but was pushed back to early 2009 and then again to summer 2009. USA has given the same excuse for both delays: they want all 16 episodes to air without a break, which clearly makes no sense. The last season of Law & Order: Criminal Intent premiered in October 2007, but because of the writers strike, the final episode didn't air until last August. Tim Surette TV.Com UK Jan 23 2009 www.tv.com/story/12204.html.
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Post by DonnaJo on Jan 25, 2009 15:16:10 GMT -5
This is terrible. No one at LOCI is blaming Jeff. Blame lies with the showrunner & his writing staff, for failure to devise a suitable character for Jeff to inhabit. He isn't the reason why the episodes were terrible. This blogger is deliberately misinterpreting the Fox article. Shame on him. EDIT: I posted my comments there! ;D
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Post by GorensGirl on Jan 25, 2009 17:49:25 GMT -5
The first couple of episodes are bound to be a bit weaker. It takes a bit of time to "feel the character" and get to know them, both for the writer and the actor. A lot of first eps for a replacement character seem a bit weaker than episodes later on. I personally find it's a lot harder to evaluate a character until I feel like they're "part of the team" and he's not going to feel like that for the first couple eps, although he will when you rewatch them.
There's also a lot more pressure on Goldblum's character than usual. First of all he has to live up to the standard shown every other week, of a character who's been extremely loved for seven years. There was concern about how well Logan would be received in that position, and he already had a large fan following as a character, from his mothership days. Plus, the character Goldblum is playing is replacing one of the most beloved characters of the entire L&O franchise. In a way he has to be twice as good just to be thought of as an equal, and even at that it's going to take a bit for him to be completely accepted. NCIS still has viewers who haven't completely accepted the character of Ziva David, even though she's been on for four years now and the character she replaced was only around for two. I'm sure the writers are feeling that and that's not helping their work - the more pressure you're under when you write the harder it is to do a good job.
You know, what they should do is open Goldblum's episodes with a two-parter like the one in season 5 where Logan, Barek, Goren, and Eames all worked together. There's already a writing niche for Goren and Eames - maybe that would make it a little easier to just relax and write him in.
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Post by dragonsback on Jan 25, 2009 19:01:28 GMT -5
You know, Gorensgirl, your observation is intensely wise . Indeed, what they should have done " is open Goldblum's episodes with a two-parter like the one in season 5 where Logan, Barek, Goren, and Eames all worked together. There's already a writing niche for Goren and Eames - maybe that would make it a little easier to just relax and write him in. "
Good not just to ease the audience into the new character, but to ease the writers in, too, to have them write ALL the voices to the show to explore find out where exactly Zach Nichols should be pitched, because I have a feeling - no proof, natch - that the writers were trying to create a Goren Mark II, and they wrote in idiosyncratic ruffles and flourishes like the oft-mentioned 'going to the movies in the middle of a case" thing, then strung those quirky moments like widely spaced beads on a string to create "character" (see also The Mentalist).
What the writers and the showrunner perhaps didn't remember or didn't understand was that Vincent D'Onofrio BUILT HIS OWN character, down to the quirks, working to sharp scripts - and I am referring to the first and second seasons. It was rich and compelling and magnetic, and it was largely all VDO's own work.
Now, our almost-friend (when USA finally 'finds' that elusive 16-week window ;-)) Jeff Goldblum is nothing if not always interesting to watch. Some commenters on the otherwise shrilly camp TV.com. piece actually made a point: maybe Goldblum can't play a detective, they suggested, maybe not his sort of part, hence the failure of Raines.
I am betting he can indeed play a part in the L&O universe. My god, if the man can play a human playing a dog, if he can elevate godawful junk like Independence Day into something watchable whenever he's on screen, then he can play Zach Nichols. But let him build the character himself, to a greater degree.
Otherwise, there will be just more good money following the bad $3m that has been thrown away on two terrible episodes - and 'terrible' applied to the writing or the acting or both, doesn't matter - and only further humiliation and expense for all involved.
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Post by ZackNicholsgirl on Jan 25, 2009 23:06:55 GMT -5
You know, Gorensgirl, your observation is intensely wise . Indeed, what they should have done " is open Goldblum's episodes with a two-parter like the one in season 5 where Logan, Barek, Goren, and Eames all worked together. There's already a writing niche for Goren and Eames - maybe that would make it a little easier to just relax and write him in. " Good not just to ease the audience into the new character, but to ease the writers in, too, to have them write ALL the voices to the show to explore find out where exactly Zach Nichols should be pitched, because I have a feeling - no proof, natch - that the writers were trying to create a Goren Mark II, and they wrote in idiosyncratic ruffles and flourishes like the oft-mentioned 'going to the movies in the middle of a case" thing, then strung those quirky moments like widely spaced beads on a string to create "character" (see also The Mentalist). What the writers and the showrunner perhaps didn't remember or didn't understand was that Vincent D'Onofrio BUILT HIS OWN character, down to the quirks, working to sharp scripts - and I am referring to the first and second seasons. It was rich and compelling and magnetic, and it was largely all VDO's own work. Now, our almost-friend (when USA finally 'finds' that elusive 16-week window ;-)) Jeff Goldblum is nothing if not always interesting to watch. Some commenters on the otherwise shrilly camp TV.com. piece actually made a point: maybe Goldblum can't play a detective, they suggested, maybe not his sort of part, hence the failure of Raines. I am betting he can indeed play a part in the L&O universe. My god, if the man can play a human playing a dog, if he can elevate godawful junk like Independence Day into something watchable whenever he's on screen, then he can play Zach Nichols. But let him build the character himself, to a greater degree. Otherwise, there will be just more good money following the bad $3m that has been thrown away on two terrible episodes - and 'terrible' applied to the writing or the acting or both, doesn't matter - and only further humiliation and expense for all involved. You're right Independence day wasn't that good, but just because Jeff was in it, it was the only reason to why I watched it. I wouldn't have watched it, as I'm not a Will Smith fan and he gets on my nerves everytime I watch ID4. And those losers telling he can't play a Detective are just as good as my SHIT!I've seen a lot of Jeff Goldblum Movies.. I didn't just seen "The Fly" , "ID4" Or "Jurassic Park" like Most people.. I've seen the actor on screen in many different stories, Plots whatever you wanna call them and if there is someone I'd like to see on TV as a Detective, it has to be Jeff Goldblum. He's interesting to watch, he just has it! He's one of those actor that you just can't get tired to watch! Those who can't stand Goldblum, well I just have one advice for them.. Just don't watch the Episodes he'll be on.. But you know what, people know he's good and they Won't be able to help themselves.. They're still going to watch the Zack Nichols' episodes. Unfortunately I haven't seen Raines.. Just short videos of it and let me tell you something. Raines was probably way more interesting than all those fricking awful Shows such as "Lost" and all those other craps going on every fricking night. Because it was Unique in his kind! of course it was kinda weird for a show, but that's why it was good! Too bad people didn't like it, they prefer to watch shows like "Desperate Housewives" which In my Opinion Is so boring. Blah! But I guess I'm just a quirky lil girl and love to watch weird shows with a weird actor in those! People think he can't play a detective, but let me tell you something Jeff Goldblum has way more talent than all those Hollywood actors combine together! I just can't wait till we'll see Jeff on LOCI.. I'm going to enjoy this moment of perfection like I never enjoyed something before! He's going to be good! If you doubt about the Man's talent, then just wait and see... ¨ P.S. Yea I really think Jeff is that Good, can you blame me?
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Post by ZackNicholsgirl on Jan 25, 2009 23:17:59 GMT -5
This is "Raines" 6'4" of Sexiness with a gun... Sorry Ladies, but if you think that this is not classified in the Hotness category.. I guess you should think about Meeting ladies then XD That is good enough in my book to be a detective! I love a man in a uniform with control over the Law.. with a gun in his hands! And Jeff with that Detective Appearance, just touched that Little spot in me that make me go All Ga Ga... But maybe I'm alone to think this.. So that won't really help anything haha!
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Post by GorensGirl on Jan 25, 2009 23:47:13 GMT -5
Y I have a feeling - no proof, natch - that the writers were trying to create a Goren Mark II, and they wrote in idiosyncratic ruffles and flourishes like the oft-mentioned 'going to the movies in the middle of a case" thing, then strung those quirky moments like widely spaced beads on a string to create "character" (see also The Mentalist). I have mixed feelings on this. On the one hand I think it might be a good thing as far as making it easier for the Logan fans. I hate when they replace a character with a character who is too similar - it feels like it rubs salt in the wound. But that partnership already has Wheeler who's more cerebral. Something that's always been good in the past was that you had partners who balanced each other - streetwise Eames and Logan with the more quiet cerebral Goren and Barek/Wheeler, respectively. I'm worried that with both Jeff's character - whose name is escaping me at the moment - and Wheeler will create a scenario similar to the difficulty with Logan and Briscoe, where it was felt that the characters were too similar. Hopefully I'm wrong though. Wheeler certainly isn't as extreme as Goren or Jeff's character sounds like he'll be, so that will help the balance factor.
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Post by ZackNicholsgirl on Jan 26, 2009 2:41:14 GMT -5
Zack Nichols is his character Name...
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Post by tjara on Jan 26, 2009 4:11:26 GMT -5
Well, one thing is for sure - if the writing is bad, it's not the actors fault. The actor is only at fault if he doesn't act convincingly. Now none of us has seen the eps, so I think it's hard to tell whether it's Jeffs acting or not (though I doubt it), but from the newsreports I was under the impression that it was clearly stated that it's not the actors fault, but the TBTP - who are having troubles amongs themselves. From what I've read on Zack Nichols, I too was under the impression, that they were out to create a Goren Mark II (what an analogy, by the way! ) - and I'm skeptical about that. It's not fair to the Logan Fans and it's not fair to the Goren fans. And anyway - why not create quite a different character alltogether? It's not as if Goren & Logan where the only two character types out there... I sure hope they will let Goldblum develop his character and give him something to seek his teeth into, because otherwise he'll be "flat". But I would like both Goldblum and the writers to develop the character apart from Goren. New characters, especially if they join established shows, are always a little akward. I guess it's because the dynamics of the show also changes a little. I, too, would've enjoyed if they had an opener with all four detectives, because I think it would make it easier to define the new character, because it's easy to set him apart from the others, to let him find his niche.
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Post by Patcat on Jan 26, 2009 9:36:43 GMT -5
Remember what I posted about rumors and distorted reports? Another perfect example.
Patcat
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Post by ZackNicholsgirl on Jan 26, 2009 12:41:55 GMT -5
Damn right! This article is pure Bullshit!
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Post by jeffan on Jan 26, 2009 16:06:47 GMT -5
There was method in my madness when I posted this negative article concerning Jeff and his place in LOCI. My ‘madness’ has been justified on reading the above comments. Thank you Donnajo, Gorensgirl, Dragonsback, Tjara and Petcat for your positive feedback and thought- provoking comments and, in some instances, I wish to reiterate. I have no need to thank the Blum!
However, there are some people who are unable to read beyond the article title. They are also unable to critically think and contextualize the article with the recent turn of events at USA. Further, they seem to be unable to comprehend that it was the writer who was allegedly sacked not Jeff! Dick Wolf is a very astute business-man who owns one of the most successful franchises on television and he knows a good asset when he sees one, Jeff Goldblum. Wolf is not going to jeopardize his investments, especially in the current upheavals taking place in the media business. I am aware of Wolf’s ambition for the original Law & Order and that he ‘traded’ LOCI to USA to keep the mothership on a network when he could have just as easily ‘dumped’ CI! I construe this as Wolf having a commitment towards LO:CI which is further evidenced by his inviting Jeff to join the LO:CI cast. USA are already promoting him as an Emmy/Oscar nominated actor added to which there is the critical acclaim for his theatrical performances. Not to be forgotten is the free publicity for LO:CI when Jeff was promoting his latest film! Dick Wolf is shrewd. There is an already made audience clamoring to see Jeff appear on LO:CI! Raines may have been a short-lived show but it still has a cult following!
I actually find it laughable that Jeff’s characterization of Zach Nichols has already been assassinated and the show hasn’t even aired!
All I have to say now is, thank you to my fellow posters and their generous accommodation of two Blummies on this forum!
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Post by ZackNicholsgirl on Jan 26, 2009 18:37:35 GMT -5
Well said Jeffan!! I wish Raines would come back! It'd be the best thing on earth LMAO!
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Post by NikkiGreen on Jan 26, 2009 19:31:16 GMT -5
Raines was a good show. The 'geniuses' at NBC never it gave a chance.
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I love both doggies and kitties. I could just scrunch up their cute little faces! - Jeff Goldblum
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Post by ZackNicholsgirl on Jan 26, 2009 20:20:34 GMT -5
They should put it on DVD.. God I'd have fun watching it and Screencaping the Lovely Michael Raines!
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