And "Faux Folie a Deux" and "Gobby" - you kill me! lol
And I'm thinking that it should now be Double Faux Folie a Deux!! They were secretly perpetuating the delusion for each other. If Calista had dissolved into a hysterical mess when Robert "burst their bubble", then I might have gone along with Andre as the single criminal. I think this calls for another viewing with my big fat critical eye on Calista.
I still believe she was mentally ill and the baby dying was a result of her obsession with Andre. But when Andre created the fantasy that the child was still alive, it was easy for her to continue it, knowing the payout at the end would probably be greater.
Re the DNA--At the start of this case, the police had no reason to suspect the baby didn't exist. There was no real need to perform the DNA tests. And, contrary to what the CSI programs would have people believe, DNA tests are very expensive and not common.
I like Tjara's idea that we chip in and get Alex a Santa mug for her birthday (g) Or for Ms. Erbe's birthday, which I think is in July or August.
But when Andre created the fantasy that the child was still alive, it was easy for her to continue it, knowing the payout at the end would probably be greater.
I keep trying to imagine how Calista could keep pretending that she had a living 18 month old child? What was in that stroller in the teaser, a big doll? Could it have been nothing, and she is talking & cooing to empty space?
And that photo of them with the neighbor child. Did Calista believe that the child was actually Emma? If so, what happened when Annie went back into her home after play time? Or did Calista realize that Annie wasn't her child & push an empty swing? That would look odd to the others, I would imagine.
So many questions....Does anyone have a workable theory? I sure don't.
Patcat, I do think though that once they had a suspect, it would've made sense if they checked the cradle for his DNA.
KE's birthday is in July, I think like 3rd? It's funny because she a VDO are only a couple of days apart (birthday-wise).
DonnaJo, people pretend the oddest of things, there actually are cases were women pretended to be pregnant and grew a tummy. I'd also think that she had no doll, but whenever she saw Annie, she thought Annie was her daughter. It struck me though that she had NO recent picture, and I'm trying to buy into QFC's idea that she had been buying Andre's idea to set things up for an insanity plea. But maybe I'm giving her too much credit.
It struck me though that she had NO recent picture, and I'm trying to buy into QFC's idea that she had been buying Andre's idea to set things up for an insanity plea. But maybe I'm giving her too much credit.
I think you have a very good point that she was paving a road towards an insanity plea. And I don't think Andre had a clue about it. She was sick enough to allow her child to die, so who knows how she could have manipulated him!
In spite of being such a horrible person, Andre could have felt huge guilt. He created the environment where he remains with her and continues the delusion of a child, partially to make amends and partially to keep up appearances with Emily.
It was the way Calista reacted at the end. I was very sympathetic towards her throughout the episode, assuming mental illness, but something in the way she recovered too quickly - or lacked affect! - when Robert exposed them, had me wondering if she wasn't milking her "condition" for all it was worth - and that included Emily's money, keeping her hooks in Andre AND setting up an insanity defense. The trifecta.
Post by outerbankschick on Jun 11, 2009 20:27:57 GMT -5
Selfishness. That was the one thread running through this entire episode.
Andre wanted his aunt's money. He also wanted to have his cake and eat it, too (hence the gaggle of other women). Calista just wanted Andre. Poor baby Emma took a backseat to Calista's obsession for Andre and ended up dying for it. George said he cared about Emily, but in the end he just wanted her money, too. And Celia. . .Calista's BFF. . .NOT! She wanted Andre, too.
All of these people have one thing in common: Their self-centered narcissism. Emily is the only one who comes out smelling like a rose. She tried to overlook Andre's shortcomings because of Emma, and they took even that from her. (I had a DOH! moment here because I realized I had Vanessa mixed up with Lynn. It was Vanessa who was in Howard's End.)
The performances were magnificent all the way around. From those odd moments in the beginning that left no doubt in my mind that Emma was already long dead to the final heartbreaking conclusion where Bobby just stares back at that tiny little body bag. And OMG, that twitchy thing Bobby was doing with his head and eyes in the interrogation room! There's our quirky boy, putting George in freak-out mode with those eyes and that eerie silence. His face has a bit of that old Goren-animation while he stares down poor George, who looks like he's about to pee his pants.
George: Stop that! (Reminiscent of "Crazy" when Bobby freaked out Dr. Webb in a similar fashion. I loved it!)
I am wondering why they cut out the heart-to-heart between Alex and Liz. Seems to me that would have made a good bookend to the scene between Bobby and Rogers in the morgue. (Nice to see them on good terms again, BTW)
I thought Alex held it together well throughout the episode. She was in "take charge" mode from the start, rushing down the hall and barking out orders. She let Bobby do what he does best, work the scene.
Now the aria. . .well that was a magnificent piece of work. Calista seemed mentally unstable throughout the episode, but when the moment of truth came, the mask melted away. I don't know that she was truly delusional as much as she was willing to pretend to be to keep Andre, which is sickening in and of itself. She was so weak, so clingy. I wish we'd gotten more of the story about how she and Andre ended up married to begin with. Seems to me that she was willing to do anything to keep Andre, including cover up the death of their child. And don't get me started on Andre! The putz! Covers up the death of their child so he can keep the money coming in from his rich aunt!
All in all, this episode held me from beginning to end, and left me feeling heartbroken for Bobby. The look on his face at the end. . . as if he's thinking of all of the things he doesn't have, and wondering why the people who do have them don't appreciate them. He longs for a family, for children of his own, and here are these two selfish people who neglect their child in favor of their own pursuits. Andre for his other women and Calista for Andre.
As for Calista. . .I don't give a damn what you think your husband is doing, you DO NOT leave a child alone in a car! It's not just the fact that the engine died and the AC turned off. Someone could have stolen the car, or taken the child, while Calista was off pounding on hotel room doors. And for what? She wasn't planning on leaving the cad! She was going to beg him to come home! BLECH!
That's a good point about the DNA. I hadn't thought of that.
Maybe it's because I've worked mostly in academic settings where would be poets like Andre float around, but I'm inclined to blame him for everything. If he hadn't been running around, Calista wouldn't have been looking for him. But they were such self centered people I suspect that poor baby would've been sacrificed at some point or another.
I suspect the exchange between Alex and her sister was the victim of time. It would've added something to the episode, but it wasn't essential to the plot.
Once again, we have a lot of people--Andre, the assistant and his boyfriend--who think they're smarter than the police--especially Goren and Eames, and once again they suffer the consequences.
Post by heikimikey on Jun 19, 2009 11:58:18 GMT -5
I feel a bit stupid to always post my comments two weeks later, but you'll have to bear with me. Season 8 is not yet broadcasted in Germany and I have to wait till my friends send the episodes to me.
In case I have not said this before: I am glad that I found your board. It is a great pleasure to read your posts, since they are on such a high level and I enjoy even the time I have to look up words (thank God for online dictionaries ). I learn a lot of new terms here and I love it!
I agree with idget, I also loved this episode best. I love the "new" Eames. And this was the second episode in this season where I finally recognized the Det. Goren I got addicted to from the first episode that ever was broadcasted in Germany. I have really enjoyed the last 2 episodes with him (I liked the Nichols-episodes from the start) and it really bugs me that I always have to wait 1-2 weeks until I get to see the new ones.
I part agree with angua about Goren taking some distance to the cases now (which I think is understandable after all he's been (put) through during the last season) but I disagree about the partnership between Goren and Eames. I had the impression that they are actually closer and more personal than the seasons before. I obviously missed or cannot remember the problems between Eames and her sister after her surrogate motherhood. Just a sidenote: this is illegal in Germany, so this whole story is very interesting for me.
More than the sight of the tiny little tray with the baby's remains, the look Goren gave it remained with me the rest of the day after seeing the episode.
Oh my, I think it just hit me... I watched Folie a Deux again and that Illiad reference had me confused the first time around, but I didn't spend time thinking about it. Today I did. I MUST HAVE BEEN SO BLIND. It's an analogy...!
I'd so forgotten about it, but the Illiad is about the Trojan war, which comes about because Paris abducts Helena.
And, I do think the whole idea of the "Trojan Horse" is comparable to that to Andre and Calista. It's "make-believe", seeming to be one thing on the outside but being different inside... it's about hiding a truth, covering it up... but once it gets out, it destroys everything.
And, last, but not least, the theme of the Iliad is "menin" => rage, fury, wrath. I guess that's Calista - it's her blind fury that starts this chain of events...
Maybe I'm over thinking...
heikimikey Don't worry about chiming in late. We all trickle in here one by one as we see the eps. Especially us non-US-viewers as we have to obtain the eps by other means.
And you're always welcome to dig up older threads and post in them, new people, new discussions... I've been bugging this board for 6 months and they've never told me off *LOL*
Post by heikimikey on Jun 19, 2009 18:00:46 GMT -5
Hey Tjara, I liked your idea about the Iliad! To your sidenote: I just found out that I can still recite the beginning in German. I read the whole Iliad and Odysee once, I am a big fan of Greek Mythology ;o) I am soooo glad that I found a way to talk to people who acutally watch the show. I actually have some nice people around me, but none ever got the brilliancy of this show....
How is the broadcasting situation in Austria? Here, we have the stupid situation that on Mondays, episodes from season 2 are repeated and on Wednesdays episodes from season 7. At the moment I believe in "loose order" - not that I could figure out for what purpose.....