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Dec 14, 2009 18:20:18 GMT -5
Post by trisha on Dec 14, 2009 18:20:18 GMT -5
Life is not just black and white. Whether you guys realize it or not. Your responses say you think like that. The only black and white thinking I've seen on this thread so far is yours when you compared what that SVU character said to gay-bashing. How many people are fired from their jobs for being a republican or democrat? How many have had their rights to start a family challenged or denied? How many have been disowned by the family they once had? How many have been excommunicated from their church? How many have been physically assaulted? How many have been murdered? The same thing, Cassie? I think not. To say all bashing is the same is black and white thinking. To say that people should avoid putting their trust into people who are paid to advertise or insult one point of view or another is common sense.
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Dec 15, 2009 6:18:39 GMT -5
Post by Cassie on Dec 15, 2009 6:18:39 GMT -5
Thank You Patcat
I hear what your saying. If you were to go back and read some of what I said, I said, I watch all views of the news, I also said too that I found Bill O'Reilly "loud and annoying". Dare I say it, I'm not a fan of Jon Stewart, I have found him to be very offensive with the way he has talked with some of the guest on his show. Guest who don't see things from his perspective. The same can be said for how Bill O'Reilly has treated some of his guest too. People that don't view the world the same as Bill does. I like Glen Beck and Steve Cobert, I can hear both of them, without being offended and grinding my teeth. But I still will stop by and listen to what Jon and Bill have to say on occasion. Because I don't want to be closed minded. And Yes, I do realize that these "news" men bring the issues to the table to make us think with a giggle.
Trisha,
My point which you misunderstood was: Bill O'Reilly has every right to cry foul just as much as every Gay in this country.
I also hear your battle cry, for the gays, and I understand it.
I also believe that some people have lost their jobs for being a democrat or a republican. Disowned by their families, some maybe yes, some maybe no, depending on the family, but told that they were fools cause they weren't following in the family political party? Oh yeah, I have sat through enough chit chats about the politics going on in this country/world. To hear the name calling for not being on the so called right side of the issue. Excommunicated from the church? Isn't that happening right now to Rep Patrick Kennedy? He is no longer allowed to receive communion because of his beliefs on abortion. Is that right or is it wrong? Beat up? Murdered? Give it time though, and it will be in the news too.
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Dec 15, 2009 7:47:00 GMT -5
Post by DonnaJo on Dec 15, 2009 7:47:00 GMT -5
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Dec 15, 2009 10:18:14 GMT -5
Post by Patcat on Dec 15, 2009 10:18:14 GMT -5
I have no sympathy for anyone who appears on Stewart, Colbert, O'Reilly, or Beck and then cries because they were attacked. It's what all these guys do to some extent. But I can't understand why O'Reilly and Beck and Limbaugh think they're somehow immune from criticism, that they can out and out lie and not expect to be called on it. I've known these sort of guys since high school. They're bullies.
But it is the season of forgiveness and good will, and I'm going to ignore Mr. O'Reilly and his ilk for a while.
Patcat
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Dec 15, 2009 12:48:11 GMT -5
Post by maherjunkie on Dec 15, 2009 12:48:11 GMT -5
Thank You Patcat I hear what your saying. If you were to go back and read some of what I said, I said, I watch all views of the news, I also said too that I found Bill O'Reilly "loud and annoying". Dare I say it, I'm not a fan of Jon Stewart, I have found him to be very offensive with the way he has talked with some of the guest on his show. Guest who don't see things from his perspective. The same can be said for how Bill O'Reilly has treated some of his guest too. People that don't view the world the same as Bill does. I like Glen Beck and Steve Cobert, I can hear both of them, without being offended and grinding my teeth. But I still will stop by and listen to what Jon and Bill have to say on occasion. Because I don't want to be closed minded. And Yes, I do realize that these "news" men bring the issues to the table to make us think with a giggle. Trisha, My point which you misunderstood was: Bill O'Reilly has every right to cry foul just as much as every Gay in this country. I also hear your battle cry, for the gays, and I understand it. I also believe that some people have lost their jobs for being a democrat or a republican. Disowned by their families, some maybe yes, some maybe no, depending on the family, but told that they were fools cause they weren't following in the family political party? Oh yeah, I have sat through enough chit chats about the politics going on in this country/world. To hear the name calling for not being on the so called right side of the issue. Excommunicated from the church? Isn't that happening right now to Rep Patrick Kennedy? He is no longer allowed to receive communion because of his beliefs on abortion. Is that right or is it wrong? Beat up? Murdered? Give it time though, and it will be in the news too. Foul over what? Being a rich white guy? His vitriol could have very well had a hand in getting Dr.Tiller killed. If we were Scottish I would tell him to pipe down and eat his haggis.
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Dec 15, 2009 12:57:48 GMT -5
Post by wilmingtonfan on Dec 15, 2009 12:57:48 GMT -5
I saw that Mr. O'Reilly called Dr. Tiller by name a "baby killer" and said he didn't deserve to live or words to that effect. This type of language only encourages nuts, one of whom did in fact kill Dr. Tiller, who was at all times acting within the law. The killer isn't even sorry. This is a disgraceful episode and I hope Mr. O has learned something about his use of words, but I fear he has not. You can't yell "fire" in a theater!
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Dec 15, 2009 15:00:35 GMT -5
Post by outerbankschick on Dec 15, 2009 15:00:35 GMT -5
As a regular listener of NPR (yes folks, even us Beck lovers listen to NPR. Shocking, huh?)....I beg to differ on the point that they are always objective. They are not as slanted as say, MSNBC, but there is a slant. They report both sides, but the tone they use to report the "right" POV is much more skeptical than any tone they use to report the "left" POV. I listen to Morning Edition every morning while I get ready for work. I listen to Beck from 9-12, then back to NPR for our local program Hearsay now and then. Occasionally I tune into Rush, but he's a bit too much for me these days, so I flip back and forth between him and NPR. On Tuesdays NPR runs The Thomas Jefferson Hour at 1PM, which is a magnificent piece of programming. (Yes, I'm a nerd!) and at 2PM I usually try to catch Talk of the Nation. My evening news consists of All Things Considered on NPR before I go home to catch what I can of my local news. I used to watch NBC nightly news but these days, if I watch the nightly 6:30 newscast, I usually tune in to ABC. So much for being a one-track-mind wingnut, eh? Pronouncements like I've heard right here in this thread are the reason this country is so divided. Lots of finger pointing and way too little coming together. We will never be destroyed from without. We are destroying ourselves from within.
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Dec 15, 2009 15:06:56 GMT -5
Post by outerbankschick on Dec 15, 2009 15:06:56 GMT -5
I have no sympathy for anyone who appears on Stewart, Colbert, O'Reilly, or Beck and then cries because they were attacked. It's what all these guys do to some extent. But I can't understand why O'Reilly and Beck and Limbaugh think they're somehow immune from criticism, that they can out and out lie and not expect to be called on it. I've known these sort of guys since high school. They're bullies. But it is the season of forgiveness and good will, and I'm going to ignore Mr. O'Reilly and his ilk for a while. Patcat As a regular listener of Glenn Beck...please let me say that he doesn't think he's immune from criticism. On the contrary. And he laughs at his critics for being so myopic in their criticism. I mean, if they're going to lambaste him for something he said...they should at least have the decency to get it from the archives of his actual show instead of the sound bytes collected from the blogosphere. Many times, things that have been part of a comedy routine were taken as actual, serious commentary and then attributed to Glenn as though they were his actual beliefs. And every time it happens, he and the crew laugh themselves silly at the stupidity of taking things out of context for the purpose of harpooning someone. Because in the end, it makes the one doing the harpooning look like a dope.
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Dec 15, 2009 20:43:20 GMT -5
Post by DonnaJo on Dec 15, 2009 20:43:20 GMT -5
Worst than Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck is the horrid Anne Coulter, who was on O'Reilly's show this evening.
She started out by calling the ACLU "Christian Haters". She then asserted that since the Constitution was written by Christians, then it is Constitutionally correct to display Christian symbols of Christmas, like a Nativity scene, but not Jewish symbols of Hanukkah , since no Jews wrote the Constitution. Even O'Reilly seemed to be surprised at her ridiculous "logic." She is a woman full of hate and scorn for everyone who is not a white heterosexual Christian.
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Dec 15, 2009 22:43:17 GMT -5
Post by idget on Dec 15, 2009 22:43:17 GMT -5
I long for the newscasters of my youth. David Brinkley, Chet Huntley, Walter Cronkite. These were newscasters. They understood that their job was to report the news not try to influence public opinion. I don't watch any national news, I believe they all have an agenda that they are trying to get across. I especially can't stand when both the left and right get on and scream and yell at each other. What happened to having a calm discourse where one person calmly states their opinion and the others wait for that person to finish and then the other side calmly states their opinion. I hate watching two or more people argue with loud voices and rudely interrupt each other, its like WWF wrestling. TV news, especially cable, reminds me of the old point, counter point skits on SNL with Dan Akroyd and Jane Curtain where Dan would say to Jane, Jane you ignorant slut. Its almost that bad.
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Dec 16, 2009 1:39:53 GMT -5
Post by outerbankschick on Dec 16, 2009 1:39:53 GMT -5
I can't stand those shout-fests either, Idget. It's annoying. They don't even care what the real issue is, or what the other person is trying to say. All they want to do is make sure their voice gets the most air time. I really think the 24-hour news cycle is a bad thing. Most of it isn't really "news". It's filler. And bad filler at that. Every time a celeb or a politician burps, we get a "breaking news" bulletin. And if there is a car chase anywhere in the country, we are treated to helicopter shots and commentary for the duration. Are we really this ridiculous? Egads!
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Dec 16, 2009 12:05:59 GMT -5
Post by lovebug on Dec 16, 2009 12:05:59 GMT -5
Worst than Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck is the horrid Anne Coulter, who was on O'Reilly's show this evening. She started out by calling the ACLU "Christian Haters". She then asserted that since the Constitution was written by Christians, then it is Constitutionally correct to display Christian symbols of Christmas, like a Nativity scene, but not Jewish symbols of Hanukkah , since no Jews wrote the Constitution. Even O'Reilly seemed to be surprised at her ridiculous "logic." She is a woman full of hate and scorn for everyone who is not a white heterosexual Christian. I find it shocking Ann Coulter is even allowed on the air. That Coulter woman never seems to have a valid point about anything, she just spews venom. What a egomaniacal monster!
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Dec 16, 2009 14:27:33 GMT -5
Post by Cassie on Dec 16, 2009 14:27:33 GMT -5
Thanks for pointing this out, but what I found in our society today, what is a request today, will end up as a rule/law tomorrow. I liked your wording "misconception". Do you know that one of the meanings is: "erroneous conception" Just curious Donnajo, what are your views on abortion? Do you think the Bishop had the right, or was it his responsibility to ask Pat Kennedy not to take communion if he was going to promote abortion? Think about it before 1973 abortion was considered a crime in this country. Patcat mentioned on this thread that this is the season of Forgiveness... Its also the season of Jesus's birth. and it just got me thinking....When Jesus was born, Mary and Joseph had to flee into Egypt because King Herod had put out a law to kill all of the males under the age of 2 years of age. Moses was hidden,because the Pharaoh wanted to cut down on the Israel population and all 1st born Hebrew slaves were to be killed, so his mother hid him in the Nile. It just got me, thinking, why in the history of the world, are are we always sacrificing our children?
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Dec 16, 2009 14:35:41 GMT -5
Post by trisha on Dec 16, 2009 14:35:41 GMT -5
As a regular listener of NPR (yes folks, even us Beck lovers listen to NPR. Shocking, huh?)....I beg to differ on the point that they are always objective. They are not as slanted as say, MSNBC, but there is a slant. They report both sides, but the tone they use to report the "right" POV is much more skeptical than any tone they use to report the "left" POV. I listen to Morning Edition every morning while I get ready for work. I listen to Beck from 9-12, then back to NPR for our local program Hearsay now and then. Occasionally I tune into Rush, but he's a bit too much for me these days, so I flip back and forth between him and NPR. On Tuesdays NPR runs The Thomas Jefferson Hour at 1PM, which is a magnificent piece of programming. (Yes, I'm a nerd!) and at 2PM I usually try to catch Talk of the Nation. My evening news consists of All Things Considered on NPR before I go home to catch what I can of my local news. I used to watch NBC nightly news but these days, if I watch the nightly 6:30 newscast, I usually tune in to ABC. So much for being a one-track-mind wingnut, eh? Pronouncements like I've heard right here in this thread are the reason this country is so divided. Lots of finger pointing and way too little coming together. We will never be destroyed from without. We are destroying ourselves from within. I don't think that anyone accused you or anyone else as being a one-track-minded wingnut. I apologize if you felt that way. The debate here (at least for me) has been over whether or not it was fair for the SVU character to say those things about O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Beck. From a legal standpoint, there is no question. As outspoken celebrities with a significant percentage of the country thinking they are mean, hyperbolic shills for the GOP, they are fair game for being used in this context. From an ethical standpoint, I also thought the episode was fair because the line O'Reilly and co. find so offensive was followed by one that discredited it as being the exact same crap, just from a shill who works for the other side. I irony. Don't you? As for NPR and PBS having a slant, I recall that they were investigated for bias by the FCC while Bush was in office. In the end, all of the investigations turned up no bias for or against the Bush administration.
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Dec 16, 2009 14:40:44 GMT -5
Post by trisha on Dec 16, 2009 14:40:44 GMT -5
Nevermind. Nothing to see here.
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