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Post by Patcat on Sept 28, 2010 15:11:43 GMT -5
To the site for the past week?
Patcat
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Post by outerbankschick on Sept 28, 2010 17:25:23 GMT -5
What happened? I've been hit or miss lately so I don't know what you mean...I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.
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Post by angua on Sept 28, 2010 19:09:02 GMT -5
I think Pat is talking about the fact that even with D'onofrio returning (squee!) the site has been dead as a doornail.
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Post by outerbankschick on Sept 28, 2010 19:59:46 GMT -5
Well, to be fair, it's going to take awhile to bring the traffic back to any of the boards. The USA board hasn't seen much traffic lately either, after the initial announcement. I imagine, as more news rolls in, and the rest of the cast is signed on, there will be more folks coming back to the boards. But...what happened on this board is two-fold. I mean, you have to face facts...the vitriolic nastiness that went on over the course of the past couple of years (through S7-8), and seemed to build to a crescendo upon the release of the news of the cast changes last year, is what really killed this place. It's why I tried so hard to point out the difference between critiquing and critical analysis, and bashing. Some folks listened, some didn't. Some folks decided I was just an empty-headed fan girl and treated me accordingly after that. Whatever the case...the refusal of certain folks to refrain from personal attacks drove people away and some of those people are never going to come back, no matter how great the news is. They have found other homes now. To find some good news here...if the tone remains even, some will make their way back, and there will undoubtably be "newbies" to welcome into the fold. And as long as the board doesn't turn into a "let's bash Goren some more" hangout, then the traffic should pick up and there should be some good discussions.
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Post by alliehalliwell on Sept 28, 2010 23:47:39 GMT -5
Even though I love this site, I want to get back on the USA site but I haven't been able to get on there for years and their technical support isn't supportive. Blah. Anyways, I'm on here every so often and I bet I'll be on it more often when the show starts up again.
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Post by outerbankschick on Sept 29, 2010 0:05:19 GMT -5
Maybe your old account didn't transfer when they revamped the board design. I've heard a few people had trouble with that. You could create a new account and add something into the user name that lets the people you already know there know who you are...
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Post by Patcat on Sept 29, 2010 0:58:14 GMT -5
I couldn't reach this site for about five days. It wasn't for lack of trying.
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Post by jeffan on Sept 29, 2010 7:46:50 GMT -5
This is an international discussion forum and, to state the obvious, one person’s critical analysis is another person’s bashing. I should know being a Jeff Goldblum fan. I left the board when the Jeff-bashing-brigade were maxing out at full throttle because of the cast changes. Understandable, but let’s just say that the more “colourful” usage of the language was becoming too predictable and, actually, boring. Not once did I complain to the moderators. The decision to leave the board really kicked in for me when fiction was unquestionably accepted as fact - fluff - oh, the irony as where will Goren and Eames fit into this alleged USA’s brand of programming?
What a difference less than a year makes.
Of course this board is dominated by Vincent fans as he’s been on the show since it’s inception. I wouldn’t expect it to be otherwise. Yet, this is a discussion board and not a blog to beatify a favourite actor. I have written many reviews for the Goren episodes I have liked and not bothered for the ones that I actually found boring - same principle with the Jeff episodes.
One of the reasons I joined this board was the “Art and Maintenance of the Character” thread. This should go down in the forum’s annals as being one of it’s greatest topics. In it can found excellent examples of intelligent critique, reasoned arguments and counter-arguments and, of course, the fangurlie stuff. I’m highlighting this thread because it shows how one person’s critque is another’s bashing. There is a fine line between what is construed as personal bashing and constructive crticism but that is the nature of the beast and it all depends on where you are coming from.
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Post by Patcat on Sept 29, 2010 8:04:44 GMT -5
I'm beginning to realize the problem I had accessing the site may have been on my end, and not the site's. So, I apologize for the confusion.
Patcat
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Post by Criminal Mastermind on Sept 29, 2010 8:18:44 GMT -5
Patcat, if you were trying to access the site via the portal on criminal-intent.us, then it is my fault that you were lost for a while there. I let the site expire with the assumption that no one was using/visiting it, and I didn't set up the domain forwarding in time to avoid the "parked page." I'm so very sorry for the trouble/incovenience
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Post by Patcat on Sept 29, 2010 8:56:48 GMT -5
Ah-ha! Thank you for the explanation, Criminal Mastermind. And thank you for taking care of this and all the other stuff you undoubtedly have to do to keep this place up and running.
I don't know if it's a sign of an inferiority complex or a huge ego that I think everything is my fault. (g)
Patcat
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Post by Patcat on Sept 29, 2010 9:05:47 GMT -5
Oh, just in case it wasn't obvious, I really, really missed you people.
Patcat
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Post by outerbankschick on Sept 29, 2010 23:43:28 GMT -5
Incidentally, Jeffan, I called out the JG bashers, too. Though that was hardly prevalent in here compared to the USA board. And I will have to disagree that one person's critique is another's bashing on the one hand, while being able to see your point on the other.
To me, there are some things that are clear cut and the overall tone of a handful of posters for the past couple of years was clearly vitriolic when it came to the show - and Vincent in particular. I watched it happen with my own eyes, and believe me, it began long before JG came aboard.
That being said, there is nothing wrong with criticizing something that you found to be negative about the show - however, what happened here is that certain people who were very harsh in their personal opinions of Vincent himself basically tore into every episode discussion with gusto, stating how fat he was with what seemed like gleeful snideness, how they hated his "scene chewing" (this being stated with many adjectives and denoted as negatively as possible), accusing him of purposely "destroying" the character of Goren because he was "bored", yada, yada, yada...
Quite frankly, I never understood why, if someone hated the show or hated the character of Goren so much...why then did they spend so much time watching the show? Why come to the boards for the express purpose of tearing the actor himself apart? Hang out on the TMZ website if you want to behave that way. Those folks love that junk.
I was ticked - royally ticked - at the way the cast changes were handled last year. It wasn't JG's fault and I never blamed him. In fact, I reminded plenty of others of that fact, more than once. However, when I made up my mind not to watch S9 beyond Loyalty, I followed through. I quit watching the show. It was actually quite simple.
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Post by jeffan on Sept 30, 2010 4:27:48 GMT -5
I remember you “calling out” the JG bashers OBC so it was prevalent enough on this board for you to have to make the plea and also for me to temporarily leave the board. I do not wish to labour this discussion because, as I wrote at the time, I did understand the hysterical outpourings of many posters.
I also remember Peter-in-Manhatten’s comments about the USA Forum so I went there out of curiosity. Suffice to say, it was a one and only visit. I do not need to elaborate as I know many of the posters on this board are also members of the USA board. Why not, as it is a good place for long-term fans of the show.
You made very good points about the art of critical analysis in the episode discussions. As we both know any good critique is objective rather than subjective and, to me, therein lies the problem. This is a television show and we all have our favourite characters and so have the propensity, even before we have watched the episode, that it is going to be good. I am generalising here and am fully aware that this is not case with all posters but I do admit that I, too, instinctively have positive feelings in relation to the Jeff’s episodes. It is, as you wrote, how we express ourselves.
But this is now and not then and, because Jeff exited the show, Vincent accepted the offer of an eight episode series finale with or without Kathryn Erbe.
I look forward to whatever Season Ten has to offer.
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Post by idget on Sept 30, 2010 5:10:34 GMT -5
I also don't wish to belabor the bashing point, but I do want to point out that different posters certainly have different perceptions. I have stopped posting on this board several times for two different reasons. 1st is my perception of what OBC mentioned, that is the down right mean spirited bashing of all things VDO and the 2nd being my perception of the double standard that any critical analysis of VDO's shows was fine but anything but praise for JG's episodes was akin to hypocrisy. I enjoyed most of the JG's episodes with Wheeler (I have not watched any with SB) but when I felt I fairly criticized things I did not like about certain episodes (which I also did with episodes of VDO/Erbe) I certainly felt the sting of arrows. So it just goes to show that there are definitely different perceptions of what is going on.
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