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Post by Techguy on Dec 18, 2010 0:43:22 GMT -5
I know we already have a thread to discuss what we want to see next season. I'd like to get more specific about what we hope for or expect to happen to Goren and Eames to set the stage for final closure, assuming season 10 will be their last hurrah.
Questions: ---Since Eames "fired" Goren in last season's finale, how do you think this aspect of the narrative will continue next season? --What have Goren and Eames been up to since then? ---Do you expect Goren's nephew Donnie or Eames' nephew (does he have a name?) will figure in any of the new episodes? ---What about Molly, Goren's cousin/niece? Is there a role, a part for her to play in Goren's final healing, assuming he will be made whole by season's end? --Do you think Goren will be made whole, and if not, what will prevent him from getting there? What about Eames' role in Goren finally making it into the end zone of happiness/healing? --Do you think personal details will be included, or will CI be more procedural this time around? --Do you want all loose ends--whatever they may be--completely wrapped up or do you want some things left open-ended? What do you want resolved and what do you want left to the imagination?
Feel free to expand upon and add to the discussion with more questions of your own.
The clock is ticking. Tick...tick..tick...
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Post by Patcat on Dec 18, 2010 9:29:46 GMT -5
I want to know about Donnie, Molly, everyone. I want to see Moran's head on a platter. But I'd rather see solid episodes.
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Post by angua on Dec 18, 2010 15:40:55 GMT -5
I want to know about Donnie, Molly, everyone. I want to see Moran's head on a platter. But I'd rather see solid episodes. I'll drink to that!
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Post by dimarec on Dec 19, 2010 22:04:46 GMT -5
I need loose ends. Somehow I don´t feel that this show is about closure, but about reasoning.
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Post by DonnaJo on Dec 21, 2010 12:01:08 GMT -5
I hope I'm not being too cynical, but I doubt that the new showrunner is going to bother wrapping up loose ends left by his predecessors. He'll have to address the Eames/quitting and Goren/fired ending in "Loyalty," but I don't expect anything more than one brief scene and a few lines. And then back to the crime at hand. Actually, I'm fine with the show becoming a procedural again. Give us back for Goren the occasional off hand comment and overnight beard scruff to "suggest" a possible one-night stand or stake out. Please....I don't want Goren's life wrapped up in a nice, neat bow. Donny is nothing but trouble - leave him lost. Molly can send Bobby a card, that's OK.
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Post by maherjunkie on Dec 21, 2010 12:43:59 GMT -5
Donnie's trouble is not entirely of his own making.
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Post by Patcat on Dec 21, 2010 14:09:43 GMT -5
True, Donnie's troubles can be laid at his own feet, and I wonder how much he might be like his father in being able to manipulate people.
Patcat
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Post by maherjunkie on Dec 21, 2010 14:41:43 GMT -5
I just think he is young and dumb, and that is a little different.
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Post by Techguy on Dec 21, 2010 21:46:00 GMT -5
I don't want all loose ends tied up either, and I don't think the new showrunner will feel obligated to do so. I'm hoping he puts his own stamp on the new episodes without having to re-visit old history too much. The relatives that were here and gone have mostly vanished from my memory. There's no need to tell us, except perhaps in passing, what became of nephews, nieces, cousins, and the rest of either Goren's or Eames' family tree, not even what's gone down for her father or sister. Most of all, I'm hoping all the angst and grief are ancient history for Goren.
There are some things, however, that I wouldn't mind seeing again. I hope Goren gets the chance to show he's the smartest person in the room once again. I want to see Eames' snark re-emerge, since what I missed most during all the melodrama was CI's humor. I guess that means I want to see both Goren and Eames enjoying being detectives again.
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Post by Moonbeam on Dec 22, 2010 10:12:57 GMT -5
With the exception of the firing/resignation, the loose ends are ancient history to me. Go back to the procedural with good writing, good nasty villians and situations. My hope is the new showrunner understands the character of Goren and will make him interesting again. "We" know Goren, now make others want to know him too.
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Post by alliehalliwell on Dec 22, 2010 12:49:08 GMT -5
I like SOME personal stuff in the show but I don't want all the grief and angst for Goren. I feel they need to show hints mostly that Goren's moved on and his life is better without NYPD. I kinda want the NYPD to BEG him to come back. :0) Same goes for Eames.
I DON'T want to see Goren/Eames romantically together (though I know a lot of people want that), and yes I want them both to be happy with or without the NYPD. Though, I'm not opposed to seeing any glimpses of their social or romantic life...just not together.
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Post by skittles4me on Dec 22, 2010 13:36:32 GMT -5
I agree with Alliehalliwell- I would like to see SOME personal snippets-just enough to make it interesting- with most of the focus on the case (a GOOD well written case!). Actually, I would like to see more on Eames' background and maybe meet Johnny Eames and/or her nephew. I am a shipper- just can't imagine them NOT together in the end... but don't necessarily need to see it on screen. I hope that the ending will be ambiguous enough that we can draw our own conclusions and all will be happy. That is the one thing I liked about the end of "Loyalty"-it was left open enough that we could each come up with Bobby and Alex's next step in our own imaginations!
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Post by lola on Dec 22, 2010 18:27:41 GMT -5
Well, I’m just going to add some of my ideas although it is pretty much said already. Questions:
---Since Eames "fired" Goren in last season's finale, how do you think this aspect of the narrative will continue next season?I got a feeling writers will not dwell on it as they never did before when it comes to continue something they started. It will start simply with the fact they are gone and then use maybe some old or very difficult case to bring them back..hmm..I’m pulling out of a hat here…maybe Sebastian returns.. Oh, and who will fill in the scenes of the first episode until they are (as you put it so well Alliehalliwell ) begged to come back? --What have Goren and Eames been up to since then? I wish writers will find a way for Goren to do some kind of teaching (I’m thinking maybe false identity as history teacher in Untethered was his secret unfulfilled wish). He is so good with kids. Just remember any scene with a kid and him (ahh I go all mushy). But most likely he is working for FBI. Or insurance company (remember that insurance guy with Asperger syndrome from Probability). As for Eames I have no idea. I mean, we didn’t get much information on her (hobbies, interests… o.k. she’s got a dog, likes to jog, was a surrogate mother, but how this pays your checks after you resign). ---Do you expect Goren's nephew Donnie or Eames' nephew (does he have a name?) will figure in any of the new episodes? I also don’t want all loose ends get closure but Donnie isn’t one of them. Just remember Goren’s agony when he was looking for him on the street of NY. He risked his job for him ( and because of Eames- she was the one who couldn’t let it go and then he looked at her, rolled his eyes and went down). I don’t think he is trouble he is bipolar. It has similar symptoms as schizophrenia and I know two people with it. All I can say their fears are very real to them so they run away or make stupid mistakes. All I need is just a hint Goren gets a lead on whereabouts of Donny and I’m a happy Christmas dinner. ---What about Molly, Goren's cousin/niece? Is there a role, a part for her to play in Goren's final healing, assuming he will be made whole by season's end?Again, not too much information here, please. Just clearing up what exactly is she – cousin or niece --Do you think Goren will be made whole, and if not, what will prevent him from getting there? What about Eames' role in Goren finally making it into the end zone of happiness/healing? OK, I'm in the game. WORD on wanting Goren back strong, confident, and healed. I'll tune in to see if his mojo is restored, and if the writers give Mr. D'Onofrio good material to work with. I don't want any more angst and melodramatic hand-wringing or I'm out the door. You said it right Techguy. I’m with you all the way. And DonnaJo, Moonbeam, Alliehalliwell, Skittles. From your lips to God’s ears. I think Goren will be made whole. Must be made whole.. how much you can torture a guy? Speaking of God here. I find it very interesting that first episode and last episode of season 8 were about God. Regarding Eames.... I do not want to be a shipper but the guideline since season 7 is somewhat implying his increased interest in her. And those glazed eyes looks on his face. I just hate them. They are used to create tension and longing in viewer’s imagination. If you are a shipper then looks are filled with love. If you are not, he is proud of her, admires her. Do not get me wrong, I’m not entirely against ‘’Goren&Eames4ever’’. I just resent that every relationship should end with or a hint of romance. I like to think man and woman can care for each other deeply and stay professional. I try to look at the show as realistically as possible and every partnership does not end in bed (o.k. some do). [quote author=skittles4me board=discussion thread=4667 post=68880 time=1292703285 He already has a worthy woman... EAMES!!! ;D [/quote] So, maybe yes…maybe no LET THE GAMES OF SEASON TEN BEGIN!! --Do you think personal details will be included, or will CI be more procedural this time around?Both their personal lives are already so much exposed in the show I think they will continue with it. How much? Huh, I will leave it to the Gipsy woman and coffee reading. --Do you want all loose ends--whatever they may be--completely wrapped up or do you want some things left open-ended? What do you want resolved and what do you want left to the imagination?I agree with you Skittles. No loose ends with villains. But personal life ..yes I also hope story will be written in a way so we can draw our own conclusions and all will be happy.
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Post by skittles4me on Dec 22, 2010 22:50:23 GMT -5
LOL Lola! I was just trying to be funny. Another thought about season 10... Last year there was such a feeling of "gloom and doom" about the ending. The fans were so disappointed about VDO and KE leaving (and the circumstances) and THEN there was the news that SOMEONE would be killed... I don't think anyone anticipated a happy ending. "Loyalty" certainly did not give the fans a good feeling about Goren and Eames leaving the MCS. This time around everyone is so excited that they are coming back (and really, how often does that happen?). There is a new showrunner and obviously TPTB want to give the fans another ending for Goren and Eames. I am very optimistic that it will be more satisfying than the first ending because why go to all the trouble of a do over for another angsty ending? There is just a good feeling of anticipation from the fans expressed here and on other CI boards. I think the writers won't disappoint us.
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Post by romulanavtra787 on Dec 23, 2010 4:15:26 GMT -5
i wonder how are they going to deal with eames and the captain thingy, will she still be a detective a Lieutenant or did she get pressured to take the exam in the end by the brass or did she resign(not entierly clear at the end of loyalty). plus how does goren come back is he rehired or is he called in as a consultant. maybe the cheif of dectectives gets fired for something and goren is asked to investigate(poetic justice).
rom.
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