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Post by jeffan on Jan 27, 2011 16:52:59 GMT -5
Good point - but haven't their professionalism and friendship always been blurred in the cases they investigate.
Yes, I agree, Ross did not "manage" as a captain should knowing full well how Goren and Eames operate as a team.
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Post by Patcat on Jan 28, 2011 1:38:08 GMT -5
The line between the professional and personal has always been blurry for Bobby and Alex, especially Bobby. Work is most of Alex's life; it's almost all of Bobby's life. I think there's a double standar here. We seem to be giving Alex a hard time for acting like Bobby.
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Post by jeffan on Jan 28, 2011 5:05:13 GMT -5
On the contrary Patcat, I wish she acted more like him.
It's just how I see the character portrayed - and I've never seen her have a "Eureka" moment as does Bobby.
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Post by Patcat on Jan 28, 2011 9:04:23 GMT -5
H-m-m. I wonder if Alex has "Eureka" moments. At least they're not depicted as such. For Bobby, it seems as if the light suddenly flashes on after he's been thinking and putting things together. For Alex, it seems the light starts faintly and grows.
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Post by dimarec on Jan 28, 2011 10:11:36 GMT -5
I agree with Patcat, I see that Goren is pretty obsessive, so when he is working on something, all his attention goes into it, when he finds out, it is like huge ligthning... while Eames is not so obsessed, so when she realizes something, she is like a bright light. I interpret that when Eames discovers something she just says it. She just wants to get on with the investigation. She does have those moments when she is the one that discovers what is going on. Sometimes it has to do with relationships instead of criminal profile of the criminal, and in others it comes from her past experiences. But she is not into being recognized for her work (is she trying to be a low profile cop?).
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Post by maherjunkie on Jan 29, 2011 10:10:21 GMT -5
How was she acting like Bobby? I don't see him with his knickers in a twist if the situation were reverse.
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Post by Patcat on Jan 29, 2011 11:08:36 GMT -5
We seem to forgive Bobby's relatively infrequent outbursts. But Alex has one--justifiable in my opinion--and we give her a very hard time.
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Post by maherjunkie on Jan 29, 2011 13:22:18 GMT -5
In the context of losing his mother-yes. If he was a douche as a way of life that would be different. She just wasn't being even rational.
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Post by jeffan on Jan 29, 2011 14:39:07 GMT -5
So, which do you think would be the most upsetting for Bobby - Alex's displeasure or the rat in the desk drawer?
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Post by outerbankschick on Jan 29, 2011 18:41:37 GMT -5
I think Alex's displeasure upset him way more. The rat likely pissed him off, too. But he's always known he was an "outsider" in the department. Having Alex mad at him was almost too much for him to stand. Hence the way he stumbled over his words in Betrayed.
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Post by Patcat on Jan 29, 2011 19:57:50 GMT -5
A question--did Bobby know Alex was coming through that door, and/or Alex know Bobby is on the other side?
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Post by DonnaJo on Jan 30, 2011 7:39:11 GMT -5
Good question. For me, it appeared that neither expected the other to be in that room at that time.
Although.......before the wire is discovered in the lighter, Bobby does say something like "I checked him, he's clean." If Eames was listening in, wouldn't she recognize Goren's voice?
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Post by maherjunkie on Jan 30, 2011 11:45:15 GMT -5
I didn't get that she was necessarily listening in, but you could be right.
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Post by skittles4me on Feb 2, 2011 1:10:57 GMT -5
A question--did Bobby know Alex was coming through that door, and/or Alex know Bobby is on the other side? Patcat I LOVE "Purgatory"!!! Before this episode I enjoyed the show but was a somewhat casual viewer. After, I began what my family calls my LOCI obsession! It was so intense. So many points to ponder! Patcat, I don't think they knew the other was on the opposite side of the door...especially Eames. Their shocked expressions were too sincere! Good question earlier about whether or not Eames listened in. I think someone else must have listened and then told them when to go. Personally I dismiss that detail as one of the little plot holes we have to ignore. Alex is senior detective...she SHOULD have been told that Goren was undercover. I imagine being kept in the dark would have made her feel slighted professionally; but as much as I'm sure that bothered her, Bobby's actions must have hurt her deeply. He COULD have secretly contacted her somehow... he is Bobby after all! If he had told her about the assignment and she knew his badge depended on keeping it confidential, she would not have revealed that she knew. It would have spared her the shock of the whole gun pointing scene. In another discussion on this, a fan suggested that Bobby really was protecting Alex because he knew that if she were in on it she would be labeled a "rat" as well, and possibly even be in danger. That is the only explanation I have found that justifies Bobby betraying his partner. (Yeah, that "orders from the chief" thing doesn't cut it with me. LOL) I love that after letting Goren take center stage all of the time Eames gets her big moment to stand up for herself. She just told him "Don't you dare take me for granted! I won't take your crap!" So. The big question IMO... WHY did she stay with him? Why did she continue a partnership with him when he undermined her professionally and hurt her deeply personally? Wouldn't it have been easier for her to request a new partner, or transfer, or take the Lieutenant's exam at that time? It took a lot of faith and loyalty to stay and work through the "trust issues". :Sigh:
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Post by idget on Feb 3, 2011 0:37:55 GMT -5
The one thing that bothers me and although I know it was done for dramatic tension, I still think it is implausible that when Eames and the rest of the cops bust in on Goren and the others that Goren doesn't immediately drop his weapon. As a cop he knows that other cops shoot first and ask questions later, yet he turns towards them with his gun trained up. Eames was right when she told him that if any other cop had been first in the room he would have been dead. He knew other cops were listening in and would swoop in to help when he was ordered to kill his informant, so why was he pointing his weapon at them? That to me is the hardest for me to swallow about this episode.
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