We've seen Goren cognizant of loneliness of others in plenty of episodes ("Want" is probably the premier example AL!) and as observant as he is, I find it hard to think that he is not aware of his own loneliness and isolation to some degree.
Remember in "Mad Hops" when he and Buck go to the coach's apartment and Goren talks about the guy's loneliness, talking about him eating over the sink,ect. Flash forward to "Frame" where Goren is standing over the sink, eating directly out of a skillet and looking at pictures of his mom in a photo album! He then tries to reach out and call his brother because of the photo he found at his mom's grave.
I think in this session with Dr. Paula, we see Goren has been doing some thinking about his situation. Lord knows, he's been given enough time off work by the NYPD to do some personal evaluations! First, we see him say he's thought about the everybody lies, admits it's childish, says he trusts others, but then only mentions Eames. Secondly, he has thought about his relationship with Eames, obviously, mentioning her many attributes, the fact she doesn't put up with his crap and has his back and I liked it when he flared up about Dr. Paula mentioning romance and thought his question to her about why the relationship had to be romantic a fair question. Can't a "man have a working friendship with his partner"? Finally, Goren suggesting that because of his age, and his problems, ect. shows me he has been thinking about where he is in his life.
Well so far I have thoroughly enjoyed every episode of season 10 to date. When this episode came on, I tried not to judge the fact that I saw "Written by Warren Leight" early in the episode... and for the first quarter of the episode, the episode held my attention. After that it just became a snooze fest. Quite a few things annoyed me about this episode: The shrink session was placed very disjointedly, Botox faces (the wife, the hooker, and the wine suspect), Capt. Hannah's lack of presence, Goren and Eames being led around like they were idiot detectives. The more interesting story was in the wine world. A wasted opportunity.
Now onto the good: The shrink session was great! Although I thought the dialogue was a little disjointed when Dr. Gyson suddenly jumped from "It's a good thing," to "Do you feel lonely." Also, I thought Goren would be smart enough to realise that love doesn't have to be romantic/sexual in nature, unless Leight was trying to convey the fact that Goren was deflecting from such a topic because he does in fact have those feelings for Eames. What goes on in Leight's brain, I have no idea. But as for Goren, I do believe that was out of character and that he does not have those feelings for Eames.
Despite all this I still thought the scene was good as it conveyed what it was meant to convey: Goren's loneliness. I think some have disputed this existence but I never did and never have. I think one of the first episodes where I detected a hint of this was "See Me," when Goren shuts everyone out at the end (and yet Eames still understands.)
Also I loved the Gorenisms. The foot! The size thirteen.
Overall this episode really reminded me of "Proud Flesh." Probably the two most disjointed episodes of CI... also both written by Warren Leight. Coincidence? I think not. But this episode scores higher due to the Gorenisms sprinkled throughout and the shrink session.
P.S.: Regarding Dr. Gyson, although before Season 10 started airing, it was stated as Dr. Severin in the PR, Paula introduces herself as Dr. Gyson in "The Consoler"
P.P.S.: Hi all!
Last Edit: Jun 7, 2011 5:59:53 GMT -5 by Jefferaldo
I realized something this a.m. that is bugging me. We are now 5 episodes in, 3 more to go and we never got an explanation of what Goren and Eames did during their "break." I know KE said in a brief interview from USA that the higher-ups weren't happy with Eames for turning down the Captain's job so she was stuck doing jobs that weren't at her level. Great, but not said on the show.
But what did Bobby do? We know from Frame that he was barely making ends meet so he definitely needed a job. Was he trying to get back to MCS? Or...what?
About the psych sessions, I'm also wondering - what was the stated goal of the sessions? Was it just a condition of Goren's return and Gyson is free to explore whatever in session? Or was it about evaluating his fitness for the job? Because if so, then I feel we're not spending a lot of time on the job aspect of Bobby's life...not that Bobby's background and history don't affect him and how he does his job, but I'm beginning to see where these sessions are too abbreviated to accomplish all the things they're supposed to, or at least what *I* thought they were supposed to...
Can someone explain how the wife knew what the key was for?
The episode just felt disjointed. I was concentrating on the wine angle in the beginning (3 bottles, 6 bottles, auctions, euros) then I had to switch gears for the psych session. I was distracted because I couldn't stop thinking about Goren sitting in the chair not answering the question on being lonely. Switch gears again to the wife, model and prenup (oh, and lets not forget the actress/escort). This thing was all over the map. Goren being quirky Goren saved it for me.
The radioactivity of the wine, "Art."
I couldn't have said it better so I won't try!
Posted by maherjunkie on Yesterday at 11:03am Shrink scene great the rest, ehh. Loved the measuring with the foot and the size 13 vibe! Eames snark good too.
The story a snooze.
And that look at the end-wtf?
And if any of them are out there: Quit changing character names! We already have enough Joes, and I am used to calling her Dr. Severin.
Hey! 'sup Homeslice?
Agreed. Now Avery is another name repeat.... In "Wine" Avery was married to an older man and rumored to be sleeping with a younger man. In "Betrayed" there was an Avery married to an older man and sleeping with the younger man. Scott Evans who played "Woody" in Betrayed" was also cast as "Shane" in "Trophy Wine". Someone elsewhere noted "One Woody slept with two Averys!"
I know Shane and Avery didn't actually close the deal, but it is still funny! IMO
Posted by darmok on Jun 5, 2011, 11:22pm He could have been lying about his feelings, but if he is, he's lying to himself. It makes sense that he thinks of her as a sister. A romantic releationship has been taboo for 11-12 years. Also, Goren has a point about being able to have a professional relationship without it becoming romantic.
Either he is in denial or I am! LOL
Of course a non-romantic professional relationship is possible, but neither Bobby nor Alex has had a significant relationship with anyone else in the last decade and they both have been emotionally wounded and are both lonely. Respect, admiration and all the elements of a great friendship are really the foundation of a successful romantic relationship. It is just easy for me to see them falling in love someday off in imaginary land after the series has ended when they aren't partners anymore!
According to USA the name of this episode is Trophy Wine though I agree that Trophy Wife would have been more appropriate, though a giveaway to who the murderer was. One thing that does bother me about the psych sessions is if they were to assure the brass upstairs that Goren isn't crazy as Hannah implied when he told Goren that they were non-negotiable then wouldn't he have had to go to them before he was reinstated?
No problem Patcat though I could have sworn that up until today the subject line read Trophy Wine! As to Goren's look at the end of the episode I was wondering if he was thinking about the wife's obsession with not turning into a whore, like her mother, that led her to be a murderer and was wondering if his obsession into not turning out like his parents have led him to turn into something he doesn't altogether like.
Post by annabelleleigh on Jun 7, 2011 18:37:07 GMT -5
I thought the wife was a very sympathetic character and I understood why she killed her lying, cheating husband. Were I a fictional character I would have done the same. No one else found her sympathetic?
I took this episode as the producers' rightful penance for that awful, misogynist "cougar" episode in S8.
Welcome back Jefferaldo! Your comments mirror mine, especially how a third into it the episode, it turned bad. Hate the whole cougar plotline. I was really liking the episode until the scene where the wife pins the young boyfriend against the wall and starts smooching him.
Goren loves Eames, but it isn't sexual, IMO. Same for her. I like how the therapist is trying to uncover Goren's personal life. Healing that will heal him for the job.
Of course Goren is lonely. What does he have besides his job? This time away, fired by Eames and probably out of communication with her, he must have been truly suffering. When he lost his Mom he lost a huge part of what he did with his time, taking care of her needs.
At his age it will be difficult to find someone, but if he realizes that he needs to open himself up to finding a relationship, there could be a life for him. Someone with kids would be ideal.
It's interesting that you compared this episode to "Proud Flesh" which for me was one of the worse CI episodes ever. TW is somewhat of an improvement (for Warren Leight) but still I could have done without the cougar retread plotline. What also ruined the suspense about the killer's identity for me was the detailed casting call on the Reelblog. When the episode ended and all was revealed, my reaction was "Is that all there is?"
What saved this episode was the psych session, peeling away more layers to the onion that is Goren's psyche. And yes, I do agree and believe that it's possible for Goren to have loving and supportive and NON SEXUAL feelings for Eames as he would have toward a sister especially when compared to his real life brother. I hope Goren does find healing by season's end so that he can get on with his life regardless of whether there is a Season 11 ahead.
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