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Post by Cassie on Apr 8, 2006 10:03:54 GMT -5
To put it bluntly, Jerome would be facing the death penalty because he was black and poor. Julie would not because she was rich and white. That's oversimplified, but not by much. Jerome would have been facing the death penalty, first because he killed a police officer. Second, because he was poor and black. I really believe if he was white, he would still be facing the death penalty for killing a cop. Should the person murdered been a regular guy. I believe the race card would play more into the penalty phase of the trial Julie, she would have gone to a medium security prison because she was rich and white and they were just her parents that she killed
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Apr 8, 2006 12:39:49 GMT -5
Cassie>> I suppose your right, It's a shame to know that's how our justice system works, isn't it?
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Post by rosemary on Apr 8, 2006 15:16:55 GMT -5
Some people also think that the victim's color does matter…I remember the case of an insane guy who wanted to die but was too...well, too much of a chicken to kill himself. He killed several people who happened to be white. He explained that he wanted the death penalty and that he was sure he wouldn't get it if he murdered a single black person. Murdering several whites made his chances for death penalty much more probable. My blood froze when I read that. There are really crazy people out there
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Apr 9, 2006 23:59:53 GMT -5
Hey, wasn't the episode 'Pas De Deux' 'ripped' from that headline?
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Post by rosemary on Apr 10, 2006 8:36:47 GMT -5
Could be. In both cases the guys didn't have the guts to shoot themselves or commit "active suicide" themselves. And both suicide schmemes involved other people. Margie cannot be called "innocent", because of the bank robbery and stuff, but she didn't knew that Donny wanted to have her killed, too. This is what pisses me off. Same as with the daughter in "Shrink Wrapped", she also sacrificed another person to her scheme, somebody who never did her any wrong.
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Apr 11, 2006 10:40:24 GMT -5
I wonder what sentence they had waiting for Margie, because she was essentually an accomplice in a bank robbery attempt right?
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Post by Leonore on Oct 31, 2011 11:00:08 GMT -5
Just had to catch this episode today (Halloween after all!). It is still a creepy episode that I still have difficulty watching. I didn't reread all the discussion on this episode, but what I love about this episode is that, for me at least in hindsight, it is the one that serves as a fulcrum into the future seasons.
Goren's willingness to go (for whatever the reason) way out on a limb, to plumb the depths of emotional morass, even at risk to his own personal and professional associations becomes apparent in this episode as well as this season. I think this is one of those instances that show, as Gage would later say, "Goren is two steps ahead of everyone else in the room".
I thought it was great that Techguy in this very discussion asked if Goren did write to Wally (which we know from Endgame that he did) and I think Goren would have kept up an interest in Tagman as well (had he lived).
When Eames makes her "Now everyone has what they want." remark at the end, Goren looks strictly at Carver, he doesn't even glance at Eames and it is a look to be sure. We don't get to see Carver's reaction or even if he notices Goren's stare, but there's a certain stillness in Goren, the look is implacable and then he deliberately turns back to his papers.
I think the brother relationship between Frank and Bobby has it's stirrings in this episode. Goren clearly understands the older/younger brother dynamic and the way the relationship can be "a way in" aka "manipulative".
Of course, this episode did win a writing award for Balcer and Benjamin, The Edgar. One of the few accolades that this series received in ten seasons of production. Want is a difficult, but amazingly crafted episode containing superb acting and tension that resonates into the future of Goren's psyche as well as the series itself.
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