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Post by trisha on Jan 2, 2005 22:44:51 GMT -5
Just wanted to start it ;D
I missed the first 15 minutes, so I really need to wait for a second and more complete viewing before commenting.
Did everyone else remember to tune in on time?
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Post by NikkiGreen on Jan 2, 2005 23:03:21 GMT -5
Yes, but I need to catch the 9:00 showing by NBC. Too many interruptions.
Eames: The fancier the building, the bigger the vermin in the walls. ;D
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Post by Patcat on Jan 2, 2005 23:09:58 GMT -5
I thought this was a nice solid episode, with some splendid moments of teamwork, not only for Eames and Goren, but also for Carver and Deakins. Kathryn Erbe has been getting some nice moments in the 4th season, some that go beyond the usual snarky comments. Her reading of the empathy Eames showed with the widow was very well done.
Someone on another list suggested that this might have been the episode where Mr. D'Onofrio suffered his fainting spell. Could be, since it involved a shaft and he seemed rather subdued.
Patcat
ETA: Hathaway took out just the spoiler header; my personal "fingers down the chalkboard" No harm, barely a foul - but I just had to take it off.
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Post by Sirenna on Jan 2, 2005 23:57:36 GMT -5
Spoilers not needed on this thread pat! It wasn't bad. need to see it again. I also missed the beginning due to tech difficulties and a squirmy 1-year old niece.
ttyl
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Post by audragoren on Jan 3, 2005 8:07:24 GMT -5
i'm sorry guys i have to say i was dissapointed in this episode. everywhere i read said eames was going undercover...do they call her 2 second run from the car undercover? but i do agree eames is certainly getting more screen time!
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Post by Patcat on Jan 3, 2005 8:28:22 GMT -5
Never trust the network promos. And don't blame the show's creative staff for those promos.
Patcat
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Post by Metella on Jan 3, 2005 9:11:29 GMT -5
Yeah, my promos lead me to think that the emails (text messages) would be more of the terrioristic kind; not the manipulative kind.
Hair: in between the good and the bad for this episode. Not doing it for me. (snort & snicker)
The begining was too busy for me - too many strange faces milling about, too many names dropped. I was spending time in the following scenes trying to match the faces with the action in the opening scenes & it became too distracting - I began to feel I was watching a TV show instead of being oblivious to the world while I watch.
The story line was just ok; while I could see the guy being the murderer .... I would expect that the builder would have had a hand in the things going wrong in the building .... well, I just don't know. Too much stuff in this one all around.
Good ending scene = looking at the adultress; not engendering any real sympathy for her.
Good play with the camera on this one ..... wierd wiggled above shot at Goren's face that one time was a bit over the edge; but other than that one; I like the shooting on this one. Liked the lighting.
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Post by Patcat on Jan 3, 2005 11:57:49 GMT -5
Yes, a lot of red herrings in this episode, and red herrings that you hoped would be guilty (g)
I'm not sure Bobby should be allowed to play with power tools (g).
Patcat
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Post by Techguy on Jan 3, 2005 15:20:52 GMT -5
Overall I found this episode quite disappointing. I would have much preferred the plot stick with the shoddy building theme instead of going in the direction it did with the lover-kills-paramour's-husband scenario.
And the nanny hearing God's voice and being manipulated was just a bit too weird for me. Maybe I was expecting too much after not seeing a new CI episode for a while, but "The View From Up Here" was more setup than follow-through. A real letdown.
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Post by waterlily on Jan 3, 2005 15:21:57 GMT -5
Not the best show, but still very entertaining with solid elements.
The high-tech God, I've got to admit was really well-thought. Nice change from God spoke to me in my dreams. Welcome to the 21st century.
The outside view from the apartments was amazing and I could understand why the tenants fell in love with that building. We had a less flattering view from the inside, all these people spying on each other. Suspecting one another...and in a corner a vigilant rat named Victor who watched and played their weaknesses to his advantage.
Yet, even after Darla's husband (Jay ??) was dead, Victor could have entered Darla's apartment through the big door, he continued to climb through the shaft unable to stand into the light. Victor's downfall was the "view" he had of himself.
Goren playing with the chainsaw was an eloquent scene, cimenting the dynamics between the three characters. Deakins looked surprised and amused by it, Eames wasn't surprised and gave Goren the "cut it out" look. She knows Goren very well unlike Deakins.
I read somewhere else that some people thought that Goren was too empathetic with perps. In this show I felt we had a fair balance between good questioning and enough empathy when AnneMarie express that she felt stupid. She was vulnerable but still an intelligent woman. A little character development regarding AnneMarie's background would have been welcomed. I connected with her but didn't have enough information to understand her well enough.
Still Victor was my favorite character. The dichotomy between the complexity of the plan he elaborated to kill Jay and blame it on AnneMarie and how easily he fell into the trap set by Goren and Eames was perfect. The sense of purpose he had on getting Darla all for himself made him a focused and logical individual and when the object of his obsession was slipping away, he completely crashed and burned, unable to see the obvious bait in front of him.
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Post by janetcatbird on Jan 3, 2005 17:07:51 GMT -5
Personally, I got confused by the mass of people and names. Admittedly I had a godawful headache while I watched and that may account for the lack of awareness, but that "God told me to" right before commercial break made me cringe. I was with two casual, irregular viewers (my parents) and at that we all said "Huh?" "So who'd she try to kill?" asks Mom. "The plot, she succeeded," Dad responded. A bit extreme, but I was disappointed.
I could have used more explanation of why AnneMarie was so vulnerable. I thought that loverboy's wife (the blond) would have been responsible, but oh well. And that is a good point about the possibility of D'Onofrio fainting, I was expecting Goren to climb up himself and when he didn't...
So, Eames as the decoy was in the garage? I couldn't even see. The way the promos were going I expected her to fill in as surrogate nanny or something, and then at then end I thought GOren would pull out a second picture to reveal that "Darla" was Eames with a wig in the photo. Oh well.
I must say I was impressed with Carver's recognition of the Bible verse, yeah Jonesy! (Considering all the cnady I won in SUnday School my parents were laughing at me during that scene, but who cares.) Give him something to do for a change, let him beat Goren to the "A ha!" Now, give Deakins something as well.
I also think that Eames comment about losing a husband was nicely done by Erbe. Those of us who've read the article/interview sit up and take notice, but she didn't specifically say "I know what it's like". The ones who hadn't read the interview could assume that she's been there for women who did lose husbands, and it is a safe bet that losing a man you've lived with and married would be difficult. Kudos to the writers/actress for their depiction.#nosmileys
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Post by LOCIfan on Jan 3, 2005 20:28:49 GMT -5
I'm weighing in on the disappointed side. The characters were initially difficult to keep straight, and that was distracting. I also didn't understand Anne Marie. Her belief that the messages were from God was a hard sell, and it seemed she would have to be delusional or brainwashed or drugged or something in order to believe she'd committed the murder. But she was simply portrayed as naive with no exploration of what about her personality or background made her particularly vulnerable to this manipulation. It didn't ring true. Also, the ultimate motive and reasons for the motive were dull because I didn't feel as though I'd gotten under the skin of any of the characters. Well, I guess I did with Victor to a certain extent. But I didn't much care.
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Post by twilight on Jan 3, 2005 20:39:54 GMT -5
To begin with, I just want to say hello to everyone; this is my first post here and I'm really glad to find such a good place to discuss LOCI.
As for the episode, I have to admit that I was really disappointed. I've been watching some of the early original Law & Order episodes, and I was struck by how much more melodramatic this episode was, even when compared to earlier LOCI episodes. The plot seemed very contrived to me; I started out being confused and then ended up finding it hard to suspend my disbelief. It's always exciting when the murderer's plan is complicated, but this went too far to be believable. So many things could have gone wrong that it just seems unlikely that someone would go to all the trouble to set the nanny up like that. Then again, that's just my opinion...
I was also somewhat concerned by Bobby's behavior in this episode. He's usually a lot more immersed in the case; here, he seemed slow, sluggish. I missed his usual enthusiasm and spark. This probably was the episode where D'Onofrio had his fainting spell, though, so that most likely accounts for it. Poor Vincent. He really did look kind of tired; I hope that he feels better soon!
On the bright side, Eames had some good lines; as much as I love Goren it's always good to see her participating more. The bit with Bobby playing with the saw was also amusing.
Overall, I wasn't too pleased with this one. But that's only because I have really high standards for LOCI!
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Post by NicoleMarie on Jan 3, 2005 23:49:26 GMT -5
This show was ok. Goren seems as if he is bored out of his mind lately. But he is very used to great quality in his work, so I'm not much surprised. I can't blame him! I'm bored too! What I can say good for this show is what I like about CI in general: I like the way the detectives think through the case. They don't just follow a string of pieces to finish a puzzle. They create their own pieces and create their own puzzle. They think, who benefits from this, etc. instead of getting information out of suspects or finding evidence by accident. They think things through. Anyhow, I found this show too dull because it was too easy to figure out what was going on. It didn't keep me guessing.
And why doesn't that caption picture up at the top of this thread work right? hehehe I had to ask! LOL
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Post by Criminal Mastermind on Jan 4, 2005 9:32:39 GMT -5
What do you mean about the banner? It's working fine on my end. If you're expecting it to link back to the home site, I never set it up to do so. If you are only seeing a box with an x in it, you need to update or change your browser.
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