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Post by Techguy on Oct 19, 2005 17:34:26 GMT -5
LOCIfan, after your explanation I have a better idea of what was really happening when Logan goes to see Daddy Dearest. But...even though no money was exchanged when Dad offered up his daughter, and even if technically it isn't criminal, what he did is WORSE than pimping. What a reprehensible father--and overall villain--David Keith plays to the hilt.
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Post by LOCIfan on Oct 19, 2005 18:40:25 GMT -5
No kidding, Techguy! He was a terrible father. I liked the last lines of the episode, where Logan said something like: "Bartoli was right, it is easy to forget he's a cop." And Barek replied: "Even easier to forget he's a father."
Too true!
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Post by trisha on Oct 20, 2005 18:00:04 GMT -5
I’ll admit that I’m still not enamored with Sciorra’s Barek, but I did like this episode. Though at times I had a hard time keeping up with the gang stuff, the plot was really engaging, and the characters were well drawn and acted. I know others don’t like the episodes that deal with the mob, but Stephanie SenGupta does such a great job with them! This episode wasn’t quite as operatic as Fico Di Capo, but there was still a lot of irony and dark humor. The title was very fitting for the theme of the episode, as there were a lot of chains being undone: chains that bind cops, mobsters, and fathers and children. I especially enjoyed that Logan and Barek only found Virginy because they followed the chains that bind cops together, looking for a friend, a brother, and a cop loyal to cops and what it means to be one, and found something else entirely. I saw that whole first exchange in Virginy’s house as yet another sign of how much time and effort Ms. SenGupta puts into her characters, because it was flawless. Logan was Logan, and Virginy, being one of “The Crew,” knew exactly who he was dealing with and how to try to manipulate him.
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Post by maherjunkie on Oct 22, 2005 9:42:56 GMT -5
I liked this ep better too. The woman in me wanted Logan to finish the sentence "The kind of girls I like are....." .
Beyond that, I saw Sciora the night before in "Mr.Wonderful". Was this the same actress?!! She had expressions and everything! Not to mention her great work in "Jungle Fever".
Could someone tell me the Lenny reference? Missed it altogether. PAINFUL to watch that dock scene.
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Post by Observer2 on Oct 22, 2005 14:35:56 GMT -5
I agree this ep was well-written... but I found it somewhat dry. I don’t see much difference between it and an hour-long version of the first half of a Mothership episode. It was very much a police procedural, and did not seem to me to be very much of a Criminal Intent exploration of the psychological aspects of the case.
Berek was still somewhat restrained, but I thought her emotional reactions were a bit less held in, a bit more openly expressed. I hope that trend continues, because her more held-in style doesn’t seem to go over well with many of the posters here – and probably doesn’t go over well with many viewers in general.
The Lenny reference may never actually have used his name. Virgini may simply have referred to Logan’s former partner being accused by a guy who was similar to the guy who was accusing Virgini and his partner.
What I want to know is, where is Carver? Two eps in a row without a glimpse of him. I really enjoy Carver, both the character himself, and the fact that his relationships with Goren and Eames add to our understanding of each of them. I really hope he’s not being phased out. If he had just been missing from a Logan/Berek episode, it wouldn’t worry me so much... but he was missing from Prisoner, as well. Does anyone have a clue as to what’s going on with that?
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Post by janetcatbird on Oct 22, 2005 15:03:35 GMT -5
I feel a bit guilty for missing the episode, I was one of the people who didn't jump all over Barek and I felt like I should have been sure to watch so I could defend her character. (Personally I don't think the actress is quite as pretty as the press hyped up, bt then we all know Dick Wolf. Or maybe they're just letting her be, gasp, normal and in character as a cop, much like Eames. Yay!) But like I said, work to do and I was tired.
Carver wasn't in this one either? I missed him in "Prisoner". The only possibility I can think of is that these eps were filmed when he was doing "His Girl Friday" on stage somewhere in the midwest--was it Chicago? Milwaukee? Some place that wasn't New York, at least.
But darn it, bring in Carver! Courtney B. Vance is just as good an actor as D'Onofrio, if not better in my mind for what little I've seen! He's done fine work with what he's given. And I was hoping that Logan/Barek would be a chance to work in more Carver and Deakins. Silly me, thinking that L&O chains would have some semblance of ensemble.
--Catbird
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Post by willow2tree on Oct 25, 2005 12:17:46 GMT -5
Okay, I've watched Logan/Barek for a couple of weeks now. So here is my 2 cents worth: I actually hated the idea of bringing Logan into the MCS, but I'll admit that was mostly because it meant less Goren/Eames. I did want to give the 'new' kids on the block a chance. I like the Logan character here better than I thought I would, although I don't really think he is a good fit for MCS. But I don't hate him. I really am not liking the Barek character. I KNOW that Annabella Sciorra is a very good actress, and Barek is just a robot. Even calm, introspected people have more affect than she does. I hope Sciorra brings her to life soon, because at this point I think she worked without a partner for so long because no one could stand her. All in all, I think the Logan/Barek epis so far have been less than engaging, but I did like this one better than Diamond Dogs. I will keep watching and hope for more and better things. At this point, I think Barek just uses Logan, and he might get tired of that really quickly.
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Post by LOCIfan on Oct 30, 2005 22:06:33 GMT -5
Side note: It just struck me that this must've been the episode Ms. SenGupta was writing at the time she did the interview for us last May. She mentioned in the interview that she was writing her first Logan episode at that time. No point, really. It just clicked in my head and I found it kind of interesting...
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Post by Sirenna on Oct 30, 2005 23:36:40 GMT -5
Well spotted, Locifan!
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Post by Observer2 on Oct 31, 2005 12:04:53 GMT -5
...I really am not liking the Barek character. I KNOW that Annabella Sciorra is a very good actress, and Barek is just a robot. Even calm, introspected people have more affect than she does... I don’t think Barek is being portrayed as calm and introspected. She strikes me as more held in than actually calm. And she gives the impression of being an auditory extrovert – that is, someone who is most easily able to think things through when they hear themselves speaking their own thoughts out loud. As far as I know, not all auditory extroverts are also what we normally think of as ‘an extrovert;’ but many are. So I’m not even sure she’s being portrayed as an introvert, rather than an extrovert who, for whatever reason, has developed a very held-in way of dealing with the world. Either way, though, I do hope the character shifts to a more expressive, engaged style. I think it would make a better balance with Logan; and I’m convinced it would help viewers engage more with the character, and therefore with the team.
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Post by LOCIfan on Nov 1, 2005 10:02:37 GMT -5
Given the way the character's written, it would seem there's a good deal of lee-way in now Ms. Sciorra chooses to portray her. One of the things that's been frustrating to watch is that, often, the content of what Barek's saying isn't complemented by how she's saying it. The lines may be interesting and fraught with layers of meaning, but the actress brings little to the line readings. I guess that's a pretty basic criticism of the way she's choosing to act in this role...
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