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Post by Sirenna on Nov 30, 2005 14:03:18 GMT -5
I don't think anyone's trashed the actress, either. Everyone's been pretty clear that their opinion is about Barek and Barek's personality. I admit, lately I've been watching episode's more sporadically and with less attention than they warrant and without havng taped them beforehand, I'm left with very little recollection to comment intelligently.
I have to say though that the Logan/barek episodes are definately living up to more than I expected. I'm enjoying them!
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Post by Sirenna on Nov 30, 2005 14:08:25 GMT -5
Ok, I got a question. The drug mules. How does a person actually swallow something like that. those ballons looked the size of a half dollar. That bothers me, I know people do it. but I cant see how they do it.. I learned this from, of all places, Glamour Magazine. The chaperones start the targeted person ( I refuse to call them a mule) off with small things to swallow like peas, then move on to progressively bigger things, like chunks of banana so they get over their natural instinct to swallow or vomit. They also make them drink huge amounts of liquids to swell their stomachs so there's more room for more pellets. It sounds awful but people do it everyday. Goes to show what a desperate world the world of drugs is.
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Post by NikkiGreen on Nov 30, 2005 16:16:07 GMT -5
Thanks for that bit of information, Sirenna. I liked the episode and I quite enjoyed Logan in this one, especially the scene with "Don't make me get you outta that car". Barek did quite well, but what was up with that one fugly hat? Trisha, I think they were outside the doctor's office, after serving the search warrant and getting her files. Haven't we seen evidence being carted away in bins and bags? I seem to recall Goren taking things out of a large paper bag in one episode.
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Post by trisha on Nov 30, 2005 17:09:11 GMT -5
No, they had just left the doctor's parent's house when she started pulling records out of the bag. I guess if they went right to the doctor's parent's house after they searched her office, it wouldn't seem odd that the files would be in some kind of box or bag, but a brown paper shopping bag? Surely the NYPD uses something more ... I don't know ... official, not to mention sturdy, to hold evidence like that.
Goren would have tucked them away in his binder, and while I don't want or expect Barek to have the same kind of system, it would be very out of the ordinary for someone so focused not to have some kind of system of organization. She can't do it all at her desk, right?
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Post by janetcatbird on Nov 30, 2005 17:41:16 GMT -5
Well, I was defending Barek from Day 1 and I missed the episode. Darn the luck--I'll have to catch the episode in reruns. I also missed SVU last night (which according to TWOP had a lot of Warner), grr. Oh well, last week of class and all that. I can be excused, I think.
--Catbird
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Post by NikkiGreen on Nov 30, 2005 22:48:20 GMT -5
No, they had just left the doctor's parent's house... She can't do it all at her desk, right? No, she can't. I guess I should pay more attention (I don't get to watch anything with my complete and undivided attention these days). I fell asleep during the 15 minutes or so during the NBC airing, and also missed more than half of "Crossing Jordan" (and that one was supposedly really, really good). Catbird, I don't think you missed too much with "SVU" last night. The only good parts were Warner and Capt. Cragen telling Olivia to shut up!
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Post by Jefferaldo on Dec 4, 2005 8:04:09 GMT -5
Catbird, I don't think you missed too much with "SVU" last night. The only good parts were Warner and Capt. Cragen telling Olivia to shut up! Warener didn't tell Olivia to shut up, in fact she helped Olivia the most during this episode and Cragen was the only one against Olivia, only because he was taking crap and he doesn't like that.... That said, it was one of the most powerful episodes I have seen from SVU and is worth watching. Any SVU fan would agree. It was a great episode and we start to see Olivia slowly winding down the path into what Elliot was in last season -- instability (this was mentioned by Mariska in an interview).
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Post by NikkiGreen on Dec 4, 2005 14:24:21 GMT -5
Jefferaldo, you obviously mis-read my post in response to Catbird. I said the "only good parts" (as in the plural) were (1) Warner was good and (2) Captain Cragen told Olivia to shut up.
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Post by Techguy on Dec 4, 2005 17:48:00 GMT -5
but...if Barek is being presented as the know-it-all half of the Logan/Barek team, how come she didn't know how to pronounce "phenolphthalein"? I thought that lack of basic smarts a bit inconsistent. Seriously, maybe she is verbally dyslexic. Maybe, but I would expect some supporting evidence, some background on Barek, to add credence to the possibility of verbal dyslexia. As it is, the line is just delivered without any information as to why Barek doesn't know how the word is pronounced.
Barek says the line to suggest she had never heard the word spoken before. I find this scenario highly unlikely, since phenolphthalein is a common indicator in chemistry, something a police detective--especially someone with an FBI background--might have used or have some experience with either directly, or in contacts with forensic chemists.
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Post by Cassie on Dec 8, 2005 19:22:10 GMT -5
Your point is taken, Except, she has only worked on 3 cases with Logan, We really don’t know her at all. We know she mumbles when she talks . That too can be attributed to being verbally dyslexic. Also, I feel that since she speaks several languages that might be one of the reasons why she had a hard time pronouncing the word. Did she learn to read in English or Spanish first? Most likely she learned in English, but we don’t know for sure. Maybe she just has a hard time with her phonics. Honestly, I don’t know how much chemistry background a person has to have for the FBI. But, maybe it’s just not her forte. Something else to think about, Det. Bishop, made it to the Major Case Squad rather quickly in her young life, I remember people saying they found that hard to believe. Maybe she had the High Honors in the Academy. Maybe that’s how she got her foot in the door, or maybe she knew someone. But she did lack experience. I always saw Goren more as her mentor, then her equal partner. Maybe Barek has to work harder then most people to get where she is in life, But her drive and determination is what fueled her to end up in the FBI and on the Major Case Squad. We don’t know. Heck,, how did Hotheaded Logan end up on the MCS? I think it might have something to do with the man hiring them, Deakins. I believe the character of Deakins, doesn’t view the world from a grade point average. He digs deeper. I don’t remember why Logan hit the congressman when he got the axe and was shipped to Staten Island. But, maybe Deakins does and admires him for it. We were never enlighten as to whether or not Deakins was the one who put Eames and Goren together as a team. Did Eames give her request for transfer from Goren, to Deakins? Was he the person who talked her out of it? Or did Deakins come in after the dynamic duo where already matched? I don’t know. But I do, know at the end of the Grow episode, Deakins called out to Logan and said “Come on in here, I want you to meet your new partner“. Which tells me, Logan did not interview Barek for position as his new partner. Deakin’s did. He looked at both of their personnel records. Interview them, Saw their shortcomings and strong points and decided that they would complement each other, and get some cases solved. Barek is loyal, she backed Logan about the pole stick incident. Could her character still be on the drawing board too? I feel that Goren changed drastically from the gooberish dude from season one to a sophisticated man in season two. Even Eames character has developed through the years. Yes I do think that Barek is a bit dull around the edges, I would call her a flatliner. Chances are highly unlikely that her character is going to be dyslexic… but its her hat, I cant help it. I like that hat, and because of that Techguy :)This episode I’ve got her back. Oh and that “fugly” hat. She has two of them, a black one, she wore at the crime scene, and a brown one that she wore a little later in the show while talking to some guys . One for me and one for NikkiGreen
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Post by Duet on Dec 8, 2005 22:15:54 GMT -5
I have a crazed theory as to why Barek is all over the board......
In Diamond Dogs we have..... Writer: Charlie Rubin Director: Norberto Barba Story: Charlie Rubin, Warren Leight, René Balcer
In Unchained we have..... Writer: Stephanie Sengupta Director: Alex Zakrzewski Story: Stephanie Sengupta, René Balcer
In In The Wee Small Hours 1&2 we have...... Writer: Stephanie Sengupta Director: Jean de Segonzac Story: Stephanie Sengupta, René Balcer
And finally in Saving Face we have..... Writer: Gerry Conway Director: Rick Wallace Story: Gerry Conway, René Balcer
5 different writers, 4 different directors......for a total of 9 different character conceptions. Now I know everyone likes a complex individual but?......
I can also see why everyone thought she did a great job on the Wee Hours, she was able to work with at least one writer back to back.
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Post by LOCIfan on Dec 9, 2005 6:53:04 GMT -5
Well, except this is the way CI has always been written. Consider the first several eps of season 1:
ONE writer: Rene Balcer director: Jean de Segonzac
ART writer: Elizabeth M. Cosin director: David Platt
SMOTHERED writer: Marlane Gomard Meyer director: Michael Fields
THE FAITHFUL writer: Stephanie SenGupta director: Constantine Makris
Then, later in the season...
YESTERDAY writer: Theresa Rebeck director: Jean de Segonzac story: Theresa Rebeck & Rene Balcer
SEIZURE writer: Hall Powell director: Michael Fields story: Hall Powell & Rene Balcer
Yet, somehow the characters of Goren and Eames (and Deakins & Carver) were quite well-formed from the beginning. I don't fault the writing of Barek's character, as it seems there's quite a bit of character there.
My problem is with the way Sciorra portrays her, which I find flat. That's an acting issue. I also find it strange that Sciorra's mentioned that there are surprises about Barek's background every week for her, since Blacer and the other writers as well as D'Onofrio and Erbe have referred to the fact that there are extensive character histories written in which the character's background is presented in great detail for the actors, even though many of those details are revealed slowly to the audience over the course of several seasons... Eames' dead husband and Goren's brother are good examples of that. I find it difficult to believe that all characters except Barek's would have such a character history... I'm not "trashing" the actress. I'm simply not responding to the acting choices she's made in portraying this particular character. Which, I think, is a valid critique of her performance, and not a personal attack on the actress herself. I've enjoyed Sciorra in other roles, so it's not even a blanket statement about her overall talent.
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Post by mimi1802 on Dec 9, 2005 10:34:59 GMT -5
My problem is with the way Sciorra portrays her, which I find flat. That's an acting issue. I also find it strange that Sciorra's mentioned that there are surprises about Barek's background every week for her, since Blacer and the other writers as well as D'Onofrio and Erbe have referred to the fact that there are extensive character histories written in which the character's background is presented in great detail for the actors, [...] I find it difficult to believe that all characters except Barek's would have such a character history I don't think nobody here is trashing the actress but I think there is a misconception about the supposedly extensive backstory Sciorra has on the character. Eames and Goren characters have been brewing in Balcer's head for quite sometime when the series was picked up. So indeed both actors must have had a great deal of elements to build their characters. Same goes for Logan since Balcer largely contributed to building the character on the mothership. BUT Barek's character was brought in an emergency context so the writing team probably didn't have all the time they needed to give Sciorra all the tools she needed to give us a complete character right from the start. I believe that Balcer & al. gave Sciorra the basics about the character and both are making adjustments along the way. That's how I see the whole thing and that's why I'm more than willing to cut Barek/Sciorra some slacks since she didn't came into the show with all the elements the other actors had.
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Post by noc on Jan 30, 2006 19:45:02 GMT -5
I thought I would make a comment and bump it up since this episode aired last night. I meant to look for the paper bag, but forgot to. Interesting episode, and does Barek have medical training? It seemed very Goren like.
This episode reminded me of a story about someone who found a family tree with only the favorite (and only unmarried) sibling listed. Part of the issue was the parents didn't approve of ANY of their childrens' partners. I had to see the evidence to believe it. I still think it's some kind of error.
The episode, in an odd sort of way, brought back memories of Timothy Hutton in ordinary people.
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