Vincent for President? How about Britney?

[Sirenna]

I should have titled this thread: "Bush elected: Actor faints"

;D ;D

This thread is to discuss the political clout entertainers have. We've seen Bono. We've seen Ben. We've lived through Reagan. We know Vincent speaks his mind on occasion. Good gravy we've even seen Paris not vote (and not die). This week (post Katrina) we've seen all of them taking shots at Bush.

Do entertainers have any political clout?

Should they have any political clout?

If they have any should they wield it? ;D

[BegToDiffer]

Entertainers have the same rights as the rest of us. I don't mind if they say who they like or don't like, but I do believe some people will vote based on an entertainers opinion. Others will vote based on what the newspaper editor recommends. Some people vote after talking to their bartender. I wonder how many people actually study the issues and familiarize themselves with the candidates??
I think entertainers should promote voting, regardless of who its for.

[janetcatbird]

Oh my lord, we just had a discussion on politics and rock music in History of Rock today! We sat there and listened to various tunes: "Say it Loud (I'm Black and I'm Proud", "Born in the USA", "Jesus Thinks You're a Jerk", "BYOB", "Four Dead in Ohio", "Political Science". Anyways, at the end of "Jesus Thinks You're a Jerk" Frank Zappa exhorted his audience to "get your butts out there and register to vote", prompting a discussion beyond the hypocracy of the televangelists.

My own two cents: celebrities can bring attention to the issues and at least make people aware of stuff that's going on. This can be good, but sad though it is people without any info or reasoning of their own find it very easy to say "Oh, if so-and-so likes it..." How many people just knee-jerk go with what their parents have said their whole lives? (I'm guilty of that for some things, admittedly.) Or the friends they always hang out with?

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, celebrities just have to see theirs blared through the media. What those opinions are worth is based on how well-informed and thought-through they are, not who's pronouncing.

[kawaiidragonfoe821]

Yeah, Kerry supporters were shocked werent they? Heck even i was shocked that Bush won & i voted for the guy (sorry fella's, i' am a born & bred southern & texan. i felt obligated to vote for him.)

I also dont mind of they speak there mind, even if it is against Bush, hell celebs are americans too arent they? They shouldnt have to give up basic american rights just because they are famous & afraid of offending anyone.

What i dont agree with is celebs (or anyone else) sterotyping texans baised on Bush, Believe it or not are not, not all of us toothless, uneducated drunken hicks with low I.Q.'s.

[maherjunkie]

Why would you feel obligated?! I am Southern and I despise him. What's he done for Texas? And if you're pro-choice, as you said on another thread, he's definetly not your guy.

[Cassie]

Yesterday while out, we saw the bumper sticker….
"If you don’t like Bush, you must like ass".
I didn’t get it at first…It had to be explained to me…be honest with ya…..I am not sure I entirely get it…

I really don’t think those kinds of bumper stickers need to be slapped on the back of a car.
Sure I know, freedom of speech and all. But I still think we all have a responsibility in the raising of our own and other people’s children as well!! If I didn’t get the gist of the sticker…..how many kids who can read are asking their parents what it means?

I understand the Bush part….but getting it up the butt…….geeze isn’t it the major consensus that everyone thinks that with Bush as president we are getting it up the butt?

[Cassie]

geeze,,,,,it just dawned on me.....

ass means donkey......the democrats


i still think its stupid......and has a double meaning
and should not be up for the kids to read

[Metella]

It has a triple meaning, and I agree, I'm not a prude and I'm all for free speech, but also for place and time - I think many things that are totally censored from, say, tv - should be allowed - BUT on strict channels and at strict times.

This bumper sticker was not only in poor taste, it was thoughtless/selfish

[kawaiidragonfoe821]

maherjunkie said:

Why would you feel obligated?! I am Southern and I despise him. What's he done for Texas? And if you're pro-choice, as you said on another thread, he's definetly not your guy.

I knew that he was pro-life (most republicans are, i've just gotten used to their views) but i do think that he was a better governer than Rick Perry thats for sure. I had the war on Iraq on the brain when i voted, thats why i wanted to keep him in office. I also for the most part support the war in Iraq but i DO NOT support the way it was handled, there was a little too much pussy footing around at the begining, we just should have gone in there, done our thing & gotten out.
People oppose the war in Iraq because of all the soliger fatalities, sure there have been a lot (2,000 in 2 yrs to be exact). i know that sounds like a lot, but compare that to how many marines were lost in the first 2 days during the invasion of Normandy Beach back in WW2 (i think it was about 3,000... but i'm not exactly sure).
War is a fact of today's society, but i dont agree with staying there & trying to make Iraw into a democracy, those people dont want to live that way, we've got Sadam, lets pull out & leave the country to sort itself out.

As for bumper stickers, the only ones i have on my car are a san antonio spurs one & another that says 'at least i can still smoke in my car!'. I friend gave it for me for my birthday.

[Sirenna]

metella said:

]
This bumper sticker was not only in poor taste, it was thoughtless/selfish

But funny! You all have explained meanings that never even dawned on me!!!

LOL!

[maherjunkie]

cassie said:

geeze,,,,,it just dawned on me.....

ass means donkey......the democrats


i still think its stupid......and has a double meaning
and should not be up for the kids to read

If you'd like to see a more tasteful anti-bush sticker go to cafepress.com/maherjunkie

[maherjunkie]

Hey K-Dragon- or anybody else from Texas-

how do you feel about Kinky Friedman being your next governor?

[Cassie]

Hey Maherjunkie,

On my way home, I saw a bumper sticker. with a big smilie face on it. That said "Smile, your goverment is watching you. ;D

[Techguy]

kawaiidragonfoe821 said:

I knew that he was pro-life (most republicans are, i've just gotten used to their views) but i do think that he was a better governer than Rick Perry thats for sure.

As governor of Texas, Dubya was one of the all time biggest hypocrites. He enforced the MAXIMUM sentences for drug USERS, even first time offenders, all the while evading coming clean about his own cocaine use when he was the same age as the drug offenders. The only difference I can see is, these first time offenders didn't have Daddy H. W. Bush to protect them from the consequences of their actions.

Oh, and one other thing. Also when he was Texas governor, Dubya refused to delay the executions of prisoners whose lawyers petitioned to have DNA testing done to prove their clients' innocence. The DNA testing procedures weren't possible at the time of the clients' trials, but Dubya defended the convictions and decided the death sentences should go on as scheduled anyway. Nice guy.

kawaiidragonfoe821 said:

I also for the most part support the war in Iraq but i DO NOT support the way it was handled, there was a little too much pussy footing around at the begining, we just should have gone in there, done our thing & gotten out.
People oppose the war in Iraq because of all the soliger fatalities, sure there have been a lot (2,000 in 2 yrs to be exact). i know that sounds like a lot, but compare that to how many marines were lost in the first 2 days during the invasion of Normandy Beach back in WW2 (i think it was about 3,000... but i'm not exactly sure).
War is a fact of today's society

As a Gulf War veteran who lost comrades in the conflict, I take exception to your comments about the number of American lives lost in the current war in Iraq. First of all, try telling the families of the 2,000 dead service men and women that their losses are fewer than those lost on D-day. I promise you your "reassurances" will fall on deaf ears.

Second, there is a HUGE difference in the validity of US involvement in the Normandy invasion during World War II, and Dubya's involvement of US forces in Iraq. In World War II the threat of Nazism was very real and formidable. In contrast, US involvement in Iraq is the result of flawed intelligence (where are the weapons of mass destruction Dubya claims was there?), the need to divert attention from the so-called war on terrorism by substituting Saddam Hussein for Osama Bin Laden, and misguided foreign policy that seeks to establish democracy in a region of the world that has NO experience with the concept, and a history of centuries of tribal and ethnic conflict that rejects the very idea of the concept of democracy.

So how do you propose we "win" this war, leave Iraq to the Iraqis, and bring US forces home? Does Dubya even have an exit strategy in place, or is the war in Iraq going to be the 21st century's hundred years war?

[maherjunkie]

[quote author=kawaiidragonfoe821 board=townhall
I knew that he was pro-life (most republicans are, i've just gotten used to their views) but i do think that he was a better governer than Rick Perry thats for sure. .[/quote]


If you want to know how YOUR congressmen and Senator voted on this issue, go to Naral.org. There is a link to a map. Just click on your state.