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Post by miamimaya on Jan 26, 2006 18:09:33 GMT -5
Cassie (whose writing I like a lot) wrote: "I was thinking, while watching the show, The episodes are all most likely written as a formula, for two cops, and then tweaked for the personalities of the 4 different detectives."
Usually I agree with Cassie, but in this case, I think the Logan/Barek episodes are constructed very differently than the Goren/Eames ones. I don't think they're plotted first then tweaked for the personalities. Instead, I imagine the writers purposely put much more action into the Logan/Barek episodes (Diamond Dogs was the first of these I think). The Goren/Eames cases are more complicated in plot, and I think in psychology. They are also very centered around Goren, sometimes too much. The Barek/Logan episodes have more room for jokes and banter, more "Logan" cop moments, and I think they build to a different sort of climax. There is no way Logan and Barek could step into a Goren/Eames episode. Logan/Barek also have a lot more balance in their partnership. Of course Barek's lack on animation undercuts this. Yes she was better in this one. She seemed to finally come alive when she flirted with Dwayne, but she has a long long way to go before she is in the same league as any of the other five regulars. She has been so, well, dull we may have mistaken a few crumbs for a meal.
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Post by Cassie on Jan 26, 2006 20:59:19 GMT -5
Hi Miamimaya, Welcome to the Forum and Thank you very much for the kind words. It means alot I hear what your saying. I have imagined that the writers are told this is the plot. they write the story.....and then insert the detectives.... but your saying, that you feel that they go into the story writing knowing which detective is going to be doing that certain episode. hmmmm, You are probably right I know when Bishop first came on the scene, I really saw her as a temporary replacement for Eames....She was basically the same size, close in hair color. I swore early on that some of the lines where written with Eames in mine. Although her character did have her own personality as time went by. (I believe that will happen with Barrek too) The Goren/Eames cases are more complicated in plot, and I think in psychology. They are also very centered around Goren, sometimes too much. The Barek/Logan episodes have more room for jokes and banter, more "Logan" cop moments, and I think they build to a different sort of climax. ok....but now you got me wondering... what if the LOCI writers would offer up the same crime, two different shows, done by the two different detective teams. What would the different detective teams, see and miss....and would the show have the same outcome for the criminals?
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Post by Sirenna on Jan 27, 2006 18:26:55 GMT -5
I've enjoyed reading what both of you have had to say about the show.
You said that: "Logan/Barek also have a lot more balance in their partnership. " It's true they seem more equal in terms of career kudos and seniority but I don't Logan and Barek are as close as Eames and Goren or ever will be. I think they are meant to be workmates only where as Goren and Eames are meant to be supports to each other emotionally as well as professionally. In other words there is much more complexity and intensity and overall affection between G/E than between Logan and Barek.
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Post by NicoleMarie on Jan 28, 2006 3:02:33 GMT -5
I don't watch the Logan/Barek shows but this came to mind after reading these posts:
I don't think it's fair to expect Logan and Barek to have the same chemistry in a handful of shows that Goren and Eames have after having been together for 5 years.
I think they Goren and Eames seem closer because they've had 5 years to develop their relationship. Logan and Barek have just met. I think the uneasiness and akwardness in the new partnership is a given. I think Logan and Barek will seem off kilter until they adjust to each other. Goren and Eames didn't hit it off right away (thank you Wee Hours for making the obvious even more obvious), but have developed nicely as partners and as friends but, of course, they have had 5 seasons to do so.
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Post by filmnoir5 on Jan 28, 2006 18:51:24 GMT -5
I thought this one was the best one with Barek and Logan. I hope this is an example of what to expect in future Barek/Logan episodes.
I also thought Brad Renfro and Ethan Embry were good as the cousins. It took me most of the episode to see which actor was Ethan Embry since he does not look like the same actor who played "Joe Friday's" sidekick in Wolf's Dragnet series a few years ago or Reese Witherspoon's friend in Sweet Home Alabama.
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Post by notty on Jan 29, 2006 13:31:49 GMT -5
Yes. Unfortunately, Embry is putting on weight. And losing his hair.
Good episode, though!
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Post by Sirenna on Jan 29, 2006 15:46:02 GMT -5
But that's my point. I don't think Barek and Logan, for all they are new at working together, displayed nearly the same awkwardness that Eames and Goren did in season 1. They seem pretty functional together but, in spite of all that, they don't seem to be as in sync as Goren and Eames are. Maybe in a couple of years they might be but somehow I don't think so. I think Logan and Barek will always be just working together. Goren and Eames came by their unison after a couple of years of working at it, I'd say but they've reached a deeper understanding and apprecation of each other.
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Post by Techguy on Jan 30, 2006 0:46:31 GMT -5
For me the big difference between the two sets of MCS detectives is, CI started with the Goren/Eames partnership already in place, whereas Logan and Barek didn't pair up until Season 5.
I don't know how long Goren and Eames were supposed to have been together at the time of "One," but their relationship, at least their professional one, was already established to some degree when CI got off and running. Over the ensuing five seasons, we have seen them grow and develop beyond just a "working together" relationship.
The time factor with Goren and Eames is crucial. Each knows the other so well from working together for years. In contrast, Logan and Barek are just getting under way as partners, so there hasn't been enough time for them to get to where Goren and Eames are at, if they ever will. Also, Logan arrived at Major Case Squad with his personal professional baggage related to his assaulting a politician and resulting exile on Staten Island for 10 years. He also worked for several years with Lennie Briscoe, so it's going to take time for him to "warm up" to another partner when he is trying to prove himself worthy of being in MCS.
As for Barek, we know a few things about her such as her FBI background. But unless her character grows and develops to the point where she is free to be more expressive with a distinct personality, I don't see her going out for a drink or a bite to eat with Logan when their work shift ends.
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Post by DonnaJo on Jan 6, 2008 19:36:27 GMT -5
This was on tonight on Bravo.
The actor who played Art's Dad (Art was the guy who actually beat up the prostitutes) is now the new Chief Of Detectives. I thought he had been in another CI episode, I just couldn't remember which one.
I found the whole premise of beating people to death terrible. Art did it because his friend Dwayne taunted him into it? The motivation seems lacking.
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Post by arwenelf on Jan 23, 2008 19:34:28 GMT -5
I just realized today that the actor who plays Duane Wilson passed away a few days ago. Very sad.
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Post by Patcat on Nov 4, 2010 8:48:58 GMT -5
Bumped for EOTW
Patcat
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