Other L&O Fora (Good Ones)

[falconia]

Hello, I'm a newbie, of course, so forgive any board bad form I might incurr on, OK? Thanks in advance.

I work as a translator for movie and TV subtitles and I've joined the trans-crew subtitling Law & Order Classic and Law & Order SVU for the Brazilian Universal Channel. Unfortunatelly, CI is featured in another channel and we have nothing to do with it's translation. I wish I had, though.

The thing is, sometimes I need info from fans knowledgeable in the series, so whenever I join a series trans-crew, I usually search for good fora to register in. I found this one, but even though it looks amazing, it is CI.

Can you, perhaps, direct me to other L&O Classic and SVU fora, good ones with traffic and good discussions?

It doesn't mean I'll leave this one, but the others are important to me for work reasons.

I appreciate any information you can give me.

Thanks,

Falc

[Metella]

Hi and welcome.

I know if you have some L & O original or SVU - you will find some fans here - so ask away if you have questions.

I hope you also post your views and thoughts here, not just read ours - I would like to have views from a different cultural source! We have another Brazilian member, but she has been quiet for a while

[falconia]

So far, I don't have any specific questions, but I'll ask'em when I have'em. And thanks.

L&O Classic and SVU have been airing here in Brazil for a few years now, but they were dubbed, with a poor Voice Over job. (You wouldn't believe the voice the gave Briscoe! Like fingernails on a blackboard!)

Suddenly, the channel realized subtitling was both cheaper and more appealing to the audience and they switched.

Now, they've dumped all 15 years worth of L&O classic and all 6 years worth of SVU on us. We're quite frantic.

Brazilian and American Justice system's are too dissimilar. That's where the bulk of our problems lie. Our penal code is light years apart from the American one and our "due process" is also too different. For instance, we don't have the "grand jury" to decide if a suspect should be indicted or not. They are indicted no matter what, it's not a choice.

Too many differences, so we have to negotiate our way through the legal maze. Usually, we manage to do a good job.

I'm glad to be here and I'd like to meet a fellow Brazilian L&O fan.

Falc

[Metella]

Interesting - I, too, prefer subtitles to dubovers. After the first few lines - my brain clicks into the -read/watch mode & it doesn't even bother me ..... dubs knock me out of the watching each time the lips are moving so far from the sound. !

[falconia]

As a 20 years subtitling expert, I can tell you, this "read-watch" mode is better achieved when the subtitles are done in such a way that you don't have to "read" them. You photograph them.

Yes, like a kind of dinamic reading technique you're not even aware you mastered.

With good spotting, good simm (cue in/cue out) and a neat translation, you don't even notice the subtitles are there.

Dubovers turn me unredeamably off any movie/series/program. The voices never match the faces and the lips can never be properly synchronized.

A mess!

Falc

[NicoleMarie]

Hi Falconia. Welcome! I'm an SVU fan and have all episodes on tape, like CI, so I am offering any help you may need.

I am slighty familiar with the Brazilian justice system. I remember a case in Brazil about soap actress Daniela Perez being killed. I tried to watch the case closely after hearing about it. If I recall correctly, it took 7 years to convict her killer because the system moves so slow. (didn't it take just as long to convict the killer's wife for her part in the murder, too?) I wish I could remember specifics now...correct me if I'm wrong, I don't want to be misinformed.

[falconia]

Case Daniela Perez was very famous in Brazil.

Daniela Perez was an upcoming young actress, very beautiful and daughter of one of Brazil's top soap opera scriptwriters. She was starring in a very popular soap, featured in Brazil's biggest TV Network, Globo.

Her colleague, fellow actor Guilherme de Pádua, had love scenes with her and his wife, a very disturbed young woman, became very jealous. The couple made a pact to murder Daniela.

They attracted the young actress to an out of the way secondary road when she left the studio one night after taping her scenes with some excuse or other. There, the wife stabbed her several times while the husband held her in a tight grip.

The couple fled the scene and, after the body was found, the SOB even comiserated with the actress's mother and friends.

The police really investigated the crime, for a change, and identified their car as the one following Daniela's on the night of the murder. The scissors, crime weapon, was found in the vehicle.

Brazilian Penal Code favors the perpetrators when they are wealthy and upperclass (and Caucasian, preferably - it is said jail is for "niggers, civilians and trash" - if you pardon my French). With the help of top lawyers, making a name for themselves, the couple spend much less time in jail then they should. They're currently free, doing less than 15 years time for what would be regarded as 1st degree murder in the US.

Daniela remains very dead.

Falc

[NicoleMarie]

Thanks for the information Falconia!

I didnt think I had all the information complete or correct because I was reading the information about the case in Portuguese, with a dictionary, and my Portuguese is not too good. I thought Padua killed her while the wife watched. I got that part backwards. I did get the parts right where Daniela was lured to the car by the couple and the manner in which she was killed.

Wow. I'm disappointed to learn they are now free. I thought the wife got the longer prison term. Grr! They must have done less than 5 years because it took years to convict them. Some justice for Senora Daniela!

[falconia]

They actually did something like 5/6 years, because time served while they waited for trial is counted in the overall sentencing.

Besides that, we have here this travesty named "progression", meaning if you're a first time offender and you behave while serving your time, you get automatically, after you've served only a sixth of the sentence, something called "open prison", meaning you go out of the penn to work or study and you have to report back at night to sleep inside.

Then, you get automatic parole.

Isn't that a beauty?

I simply love my country's penal code.


Falc

[NicoleMarie]

Oh that is a bummer! I had thought all these years that they were in jail or at least served 10 to 15! Grrr!

Thanks for the information, Falconia!