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Post by 2011 on Mar 19, 2006 23:00:13 GMT -5
Liked this one guys.....I think CI is back!! And I'm not even a Logan fan.....although I always liked Barek.
Cant wait for next week!!
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Post by janetcatbird on Mar 19, 2006 23:09:22 GMT -5
I'm so proud, I actually managed to see a Logan/Barek episode! (Due to various complications the only ones I remember seeing are their premiere and the two-hour.) I still stand by Barek--I think low-key and quiet is her personality. I hadn't realized just how devil-on-the-shoulder Logan could get, it's been a while. Liked Deakins' involvement.
Except for the spell-it-out Aesop summary (Kendall or whatever is name was should have stopped at "My father always said I married up", possibly continuing with "He was right" but no further), I thought the confrontation between the Congressman and the lobbyist at the end was well-done. Each confronted the other, and made some honest points, but no one was blameless. No one ever is in these cases.
Can someone who's familiar with Native American culture tell me what "Wasichu" means? I remember seeing the term but can't remember the translation.
--Catbird
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Post by mikeyrocks on Mar 19, 2006 23:12:35 GMT -5
It was good huh!! I love Logan so I can't wait ;D - Really like Barek as well!!
Hey I just love Criminal Intent - the acting , the writing, everything everything!! Yes I'm officially ranting now.
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Post by caseyswife on Mar 19, 2006 23:12:36 GMT -5
This was my favorite Logan/Barek ep so far. Missed VDO, though. But that is an everyday thing with me...... :-)
Lisa
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Post by j2g on Mar 19, 2006 23:12:38 GMT -5
The meaning of Wasichu, from www.aaanativearts.com/article1094.html:"The first people who lived on the northern plains of what today is the United States called themselves "Lakota," meaning "the people," a word which provides the semantic basis for Dakota. The first European people to meet the Lakota called them "Sioux," a contraction of Nadowessioux, a now-archaic French-Canadian word meaning "snake" or enemy. The Lakota also used the metaphor to describe the newcomers. It was Wasi'chu, which means "takes the fat," or "greedy person." Within the modern Indian movement, Wasi'chu has come to mean those corporations and individuals, with their governmental accomplices, which continue to covet Indian lives, land, and resources for private profit. Wasi'chu does not describe a race; it describes a state of mind. Wasi'chu is also a human condition based on inhumanity, racism, and exploitation. It is a sickness, a seemingly incurable and contagious disease which begot the ever advancing society of the West. If we do not control it, this disease will surely be the basis for what may be the last of the continuing wars against the Native American people." Anyway, a very solid ep. Joe
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Post by trisha on Mar 19, 2006 23:37:10 GMT -5
I loved it! ... Barek ... She's ALIVE! She looked great, too.
Just one quibble; was the wife having an affair, or was sleeping with that guy part of her job?
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Post by LOCIfan on Mar 20, 2006 2:12:59 GMT -5
I enjoyed it too! Logan seems to be easing into his role as a major case cop, and he's found his own style and groove. And although Barek showed more life in this one -- she still falls way short of interesting to me. Yes, she was more animated than she has been in the past, but it's still Logan who carries 99% of every episode. In fact, I found myself thinking that if Logan had a partner with whom he sparked (no, NOT romantically, just interestingly) this could've been a superb episode.
I don't think the wife was having an affair, I think she was meeting that guy at hotels as part of her undercover work to nab him. They were celebrating, and it looked like an affair at first glance, but I think that was to mislead us. But I could be wrong on that -- I'll have to rewatch. Can anybody else help with that one?
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Post by mikeyrocks on Mar 20, 2006 2:13:16 GMT -5
I Loved this episode!! I knew there was a reason I've never trusted politicians! Come to think of it Lobbyists kind of bug me too. Great episode though - very intriguing and complex!
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Post by mikeyrocks on Mar 20, 2006 2:17:55 GMT -5
I also thought that showing the wife in the hotel with that guy was placed there to mislead us abit.
Nothing more I don't think.
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Post by Techguy on Mar 20, 2006 2:33:42 GMT -5
Just one quibble; was the wife having an affair, or was sleeping with that guy part of her job? Good question, I'm wondering about that too.
Paula Kendall's supervisor explains her wherabouts, meeting with a suspect in a hotel room. But if that's all she was up to, why did the guy ask about what excuse she gave for being late? Her reply "Root canal, can't you tell?" suggests she--how shall I put this--made noises during her time with the guy that could have sounded like screams of pain.
Also, in the ladies room before the meeting, her body language as she removes her wedding ring doesn't resemble a just-part-of-the-job action; she looks anxious, full of regret--and guilty. Then again when she returns home, she glances up at the house when she takes the ring out of her pack and places it back on her finger.
The detectives find one of Paula Kendall's hairs in her ring, suggesting she removed and/or put it back in haste. This to me is a sign that she had a fling, either premeditated or not, with the guy she met in the hotel room.
These clues are all the more significant and poignant when Paula's husband Jay makes his statement about his marrying up. I think Paula felt that somewhere along the way of their marriage, she lost the guy she fell in love with, the one who tutored other kids another lifetime ago.
On another note, I have to say I enjoyed this episode from start to finish. I actually heard all of Barek's speech--no slurring, mumbling or dropping of her voice at the end of sentences that irked me no end in the past. I even caught her line about the grilled cheese in response to Logan's remark about the diner.
I'm usually not one to pick up on camera angles or artsy shots, one exception being the wine spilling over the butcher block on to the floor in "Death Roe." This time, the moving POV shot toward the house in time to catch the attack on Paula Kendall told me right away there was a witness to the crime. This did not diminish my enjoyment, but rather enhanced my viewing experience as I waited for this person to be discovered.
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Post by LOCIfan on Mar 20, 2006 3:11:48 GMT -5
Yep, Techguy, I'm with you on that camera angle. I, too, knew right away that it signified that someone was watching, and it added to the intrigue for me.
Interesting take on Paula Kendall's activities, Techguy. I'm still thinking she was meeting with him as part of a sting operation to bust up a credit card fraud ring. And my take was that we were shown things out of context in a way that suggested she was having an affair, but that turned out to be false. Another way to look at her behavior is that she felt the pressure of her job, and the pressure of not being able to tell her husband about the details of her work (and also not wanting to create a situation where she'd have to explain -- like if she forgot to put her wedding ring back on).
I just kind of felt that if Paula had been unfaithful, even as part of her undercover work, that it would've been used as part of the plot. Maybe as leverage against Jay, as a suggestion as to why he'd lost his morals. But we didn't get that.
Still, I think your interpretation is plausible, and that's what I just love about LOCI!! That it allows the audience to do some work.
You know, I have to say that, although I love Goren and Eames, I enjoyed this episode much more than I enjoyed Proud Flesh. Comparing the two episodes, I feel this one embodied more of what I watch LOCI for -- a psychologically complex crime presented in the form of a mystery...
I'm still not a huge Barek fan, but I have to give the LOCI creative team props for showing me that I can get a CI episode without Goren and Eames.
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Post by Techguy on Mar 20, 2006 3:32:04 GMT -5
LOCIfan, your explanation of Paula Kendall's behavior has lots of merit and is plausible as well. But I'm still having trouble trying to figure out why the guy in the hotel room knew Paula Kendall was going to make an excuse, and what her "root canal" statement is all about?
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Post by SarahIvy on Mar 20, 2006 4:46:00 GMT -5
You know, I have to say that, although I love Goren and Eames, I enjoyed this episode much more than I enjoyed Proud Flesh. Comparing the two episodes, I feel this one embodied more of what I watch LOCI for -- a psychologically complex crime presented in the form of a mystery... Absolutely, I felt the same way after this episode. I am *still* disappointed about Proud Flesh. I thought this was a great one. For me it didn't have the emotional punch of a really great Goren/Eames episode, but it had a strong story, great writing, it flowed well....overall just a good solid episode that I got totally wrapped up in and enjoyed all the way through. I'm still not crazy about Barek, but I find I'm rekindling some of my old very fond Mothership/Logan feelings
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Post by malocchio on Mar 20, 2006 9:08:48 GMT -5
TechGuy--
Re: Paula Kendall's reference to "having root canal." Wow, that's really filling in the blanks! I assumed becaus she was posing as a credit card employee that the guy she "sold" the database to was asking her what she told her boss at the credit card company about why she wasn't at work that day!
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Post by Patcat on Mar 20, 2006 10:15:35 GMT -5
I thought this a solid episode, probably the best of the Logan/Barek stories. There's been a definite improvement in their episodes, and, like others, I feel the writing for and Sciorra's performance of Barek is getting better.
It appears to me that Deakins, while occasionally irritated by Logan's behavior, is a bit more at ease with Logan than Goren. Not that Deakins doesn't like or respect Goren, just that he understands Logan better. Sort of like the father with two sons that he loves very much--it's just one of the sons is like the father, while the other one is a puzzle.
My one quibble is that I found the plot rather simple. Now, perhaps that's because of the twists and turns of PROUD FLESH, or perhaps because I know too much about the Jack Abrahamoff scandal this episode is based upon.
Patcat
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