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Post by 2011 on Mar 20, 2006 12:24:56 GMT -5
Techguy--about the camera angle leading up to the attack: I thought it was the murderer going after her! Imagine my shock when she was being beaten to death before he got to her....I actually thought it was a very straightforward way of letting us know that there was a witnss, and since they showed us the kid peeping through the curtains just a few seconds before, I knew that he was the witness.....
And about the whole "root canal" thing--I thought she was obviously lying to the guy on the bed--but I thought that only because we were told in the promos that she was a secret service agent. But if I didn't know that.... then I'm not sure what I wouldv'e thought.....
Yeah, this episode was pretty good.
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Post by mikeyrocks on Mar 20, 2006 12:50:08 GMT -5
Great points brought up by everyone!!
I really really liked this episode - one of my fave of the season I think.
Patcat - I really like your description of Deakin's relationship with both Logan and Goren. I found the Deakins/Logan interaction in this episode wonderful. Both giving one another the occasional smirk.
I also loved Logan's signature snarkiness in this one ( he was really on a role : ) - and Barek's reaction to it was priceless.
So I found a little bit of everything in this epie - mystery, comedy and a very touching drama.
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Post by psychochik on Mar 20, 2006 14:43:59 GMT -5
Definately my favorite of the Logan/Barek episodes. While Barek was still on the blah side, Logan picked it up for her by bein the smartass that I love so much. Looks like they are starting to blend a lil better now that they've been partners for a few months.
My only question is why the husband thought that he would be able to lobby for and against the casino and not think anyone would find out ?? Money does strange things to people.
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Post by LOCIfan on Mar 20, 2006 14:49:32 GMT -5
Re: Paula Kendall's reference to "having root canal." Wow, that's really filling in the blanks! I assumed becaus she was posing as a credit card employee that the guy she "sold" the database to was asking her what she told her boss at the credit card company about why she wasn't at work that day! Yep, this was my take on the root canal thing too. But, Techguy, yours is a lot juicier!
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Post by LOCIfan on Mar 20, 2006 14:54:27 GMT -5
And about the whole "root canal" thing--I thought she was obviously lying to the guy on the bed--but I thought that only because we were told in the promos that she was a secret service agent. But if I didn't know that.... then I'm not sure what I wouldv'e thought..... Yeah, this episode was pretty good. I'm so glad I missed the promos for this one! I hate the way NBC either gives away too much plot or else misleads the audience into thinking an episode is going to be something it's not with their promos. The entire teaser would've been boring if I'd know she was a secret service agent.
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Post by janetcatbird on Mar 20, 2006 18:21:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure if the wife really did do the Devil's Aerobics with the credit card guy--could "root canal" maybe have been her excuse to avoid it? Even if it's for a good cause, considering her marriage and all that she'd probably feel guilty even if she didn't have sex, that she couldn't be open with her husband that "I'm putting myself in this position for work but I'm not abandoning you."
But the thing is, they don't spell it out for us because it's not needed. (And they know their fans, what fun is there if it's all blatant? That takes away all the debate!) Whether or not she had sex with the man is irrelevant to her getting murdered. She was an innocent bystander who got hurt because of other people's greed and apathy.
--Catbird
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Post by Cassie on Mar 20, 2006 22:32:16 GMT -5
One of the girls at work thought it was a great show, she was all excited wanting to talk about it. I liked the ending where the husband Jay, did the right thing, by not taking a deal to get the congressman. time to rewatch it
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Post by LOCIfan on Mar 20, 2006 23:03:07 GMT -5
Actually, the fact that Jay didn't have a deal in place before he got the politician to confess struck me as one of the cheesier aspects of the episode. As though the writers were banging extra hard on the ending "moral" of the story...
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Post by Observer2 on Mar 20, 2006 23:37:02 GMT -5
I thought it was a good, solid episode. As others have said, it doesn’t have the special magic of one of the best Goren/Eames episodes; but it’s a good mystery with well-done psychological aspects and engaging leads. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I’ve liked Barek from the start, and I see a nice connection building between her and Logan. It may not have the flair of “a spark” between them (romantic or non), but I would say that they’re really starting to click. I enjoy watching their interactions and communications – they’re not as telepathic as Goren and Eames, but there’s a real sense of them getting to know each other in a way that’s natural for these two characters. The scene where Logan notices the blood on the computer is a nice example of their growing ease of teamwork, as are their non-verbal exchanges throughout.
I enjoyed the writing for the other two regulars, as well.
Deakins, once again, shows a ready knowledge of financial issues, and it’s always fun to see him point out an avenue of investigation that the younger detectives haven’t thought of yet.
The scene where Carver, Barek and Logan break down Kendall is particularly nice, both in the use of various forms of psychological pressure, and in the sense of a scene that shows Carver both working with the detectives and having a chance to observe them in action and get to know them better.
Lots of scenes stand out in my mind... the teenage witness, with his tough-kid front, breaking down; the scene in the diner, where Barek and Logan lay out the whole Indian casino dilemma in two simple comments; the Chief realizing that he and his people have been ripped off; the final confrontation between Kendall and the Congressman... there may not be any flash-and-dazzle in this one, but it’s a particularly good episode, nonetheless.
I agree that the final line could have benefited from a little editing... one phrase shorter would have been better. On the other hand, I didn’t find it cheesy for him to have helped get the Congressman without making a deal. As I understand it, making a deal would make him a weaker witness for the prosecution – and both his genuine feelings for his wife (and therefore his desire to see the man who caused her murder convicted), and his guilt feelings and need to shore up his own self-image, would push him towards ‘doing the right thing’ without getting a deal.
To my mind, this is a good, solid episode that I’ll keep out in my ‘re-watch for pleasure’ stack.
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Post by Cassie on Mar 21, 2006 18:06:12 GMT -5
The ending Cheesy, I don’t know, the episode started out with the wife climbing out of the bed of another man. Then she is bludgeon to death with a golf club. When Logan and Barrak arrive at the scene we see the husband covered in her blood. He told the detectives he held his wife for awhile after discovering her.
For me, The actor who played Jay, David Alan Bashche had a very strong resemblance to the high risk-taking ringleader in the Blink episode, from Season 2, Ken. who was played by Ian Kahn. I really thought it was the same actor. And I was so expecting to find that Jay was behind the whole charade for the murder of his wife, seething over his wife‘s infidelity . Also at the end of the Blink episode when Ken is arrested he begs for protection for himself not his family. I guess I was kinda of expecting the same kind of behavior from Jay. I was surprised at the ending. Too many woman are murdered by their husbands and its nice to see, even if it’s a fictional character showing some remorse and wanting to do the right thing
Jay might have been a high rolling crook, but he did love his wife
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Post by Criminal Mastermind on Mar 22, 2006 10:14:40 GMT -5
There are so many prop paintings that I want more info on. Does anyone have an interest in the paintings in this episode who can, perhaps, tell me more about them, particularly images 14, 15, and 16? I don't have any information on the paintings or their artists, but I did try to include shots with the art in them for a couple of reasons. One reason is that you, JanetHyland, and a few others have expressed some interest in the art props. Another reason is that I thought it was interesting that Jay had surrounded himself in abstracts.
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Post by NikkiGreen on Mar 22, 2006 19:40:05 GMT -5
That was, by far, the best L & B episode, to date. Still not too clear on the whole opening wife 'issue'...did she/didn't she? But, that's just minor. Pleasant surprise seeing Tom Jackson. Wouldn't have minded if his role was bigger. Nice to hear from you again, Observer. Hope all is better now, at your end.
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Post by Sirenna on Mar 22, 2006 22:27:40 GMT -5
Yes, Tom Jackson is a great actor.
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Post by Sirenna on Mar 23, 2006 23:49:39 GMT -5
I thought it was interesting that Jay had surrounded himself in abstracts. I've been trying to see a connection for Jay liking abstracts. Do you mean, it seems likely Jay would like abstraction becuase he was two-faced and so into playing both sides?
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Post by Techguy on Mar 24, 2006 3:34:19 GMT -5
Abstract art is nonrepresentatioal. Natural forms are modified or changed to varying degrees in order to emphasize certain qualities or content. As a result, resemblance to original appearances may be slight.
Abstract art has also been described as "not realistic," in the sense that real objects in nature are represented in a way that wholly or partially neglects their true appearance and expresses it in a form of sometimes unrecognizable patterns.
As a lobbyist, Jay was nonrepresentational--he didn't represent or stand for anything specific. He played both sides of the Indian casino issue, each time emphasizing certain qualities or content and was paid handsomely doing so.
Unlike his wife, who chose law enforcement in the Secret Service in order to make a positive difference in society and not to get rich, Jay compromised the core values of his youth to the point where the young man his wife knew and fell in love with was no longer visible and had become unrecognizable.
Was Jay's abstract art imitating his life or was his life imitating the art?
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