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Post by DonnaJo on Feb 17, 2007 12:00:18 GMT -5
Please don't strain yourself, gibbs ;D We like your brain just the way it is! I greatly appreciate your trying to be specific. But I know EXACTLY what you mean about a feeling, based on flickers from the past few episodes. I get that idea too, so that's why I was hoping someone had something with meat on it to show me that I had missed something. I have noticed that Goren has some mental processing problems, a delay in response. He seems to ponder comments made to him a bit longer than usual, adding a little mouth tic at the same time. He's a little jumpy too. A good example is in Privilege, the scene in the dance studio. Either its a sign of a breakdown or a sign of prescription medication, or both. BTW, I am enjoying your posts very much.
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Post by gibbsfandan on Feb 18, 2007 1:04:02 GMT -5
Hey Donna, thanks for the positive feedback on my posts.
I'm relieved (and admittedly flattered) by your remark, "We like your brain just the way it is."
(1) The black hole that is my ego can never hear enough of that kind of thing ;) (2) Your statement is proof that neither my wife, my sister, nor (heaven forbid) my mother has been on this site and told you the embarrassing, and possibly incriminating, other side of the story. Haha. (I think...)
— On topic: "Mental processing problems" strikes me as a very apt description of what we've been seeing at times in Goren. And the jumpiness: yeah, now that you mention it, I remember the scene in Privilege; that has to fit in there somewhere.
You've lost me with the reference to prescription medication. Shouldn't that make such problems better? Or is it an issue similar to things you can see with mentally ill people who've been on meds a long time? — Maybe I need to look for a thread addressing these matters, so I'll do that.
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Post by Techguy on Feb 18, 2007 2:00:05 GMT -5
Gibbsfandan, I concur--your brain is OK as is. I'm enjoying your posts too. Let's hope our wives and mothers don't get on here to spill the beans about what goes on the home front.
And I can relate to what you're saying about feelings and impressions about Goren. Some things that I see as out of joint I can pinpoint exactly what it is. But there are other things that just strike me as being "off" but I'm unable to articulate exactly what's bothering me. Call it a bad vibe or whatever, but I've experienced it too about Goren. Maybe we'll get some answers before season's end--I hope.
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Post by DonnaJo on Feb 18, 2007 10:36:53 GMT -5
To respond to your comment on finding a thread about the theory of Goren being on prescription drugs, there is some discussion of it on the Privilege thread. You have to look around, but here is one quote from my buddy, both from here & from the NBC board, PeachyBC:
I do agree with this theory, BTW! ;D
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Post by gibbsfandan on Feb 19, 2007 2:17:51 GMT -5
Let's hope our wives and mothers don't get on here to spill the beans about what goes on the home front. (shudders at the thought) Oh, man. I'd never be able to post anywhere on the net again. Yeah, that pretty well sums up my impressions, too. And I'm thinking that we'll have to know considerably more by the end of the season; otherwise, it seems like there'd be a large drop-off in viewership for next season, due to confusion and lack of knowledge leaving people feeling alienated and uninterested. If it comes to it, I don't mind a cliff-hanger, as long as we have a fair idea of what's up and understand the nature of what's at stake. Donna, the quote from Peachy is very good; thanks for posting it. I remember that scene graphically (for a change) and recall just how much I was impressed by VDO's putting so much implied information into a brief nonverbal response. His expression was filled with so much irony that it's hard to escape the conclusion that he's on meds of some kind. And given the fact that he's been going through the wringer for some time now, it seems that would be a completely plausible step. After all, he needs to do what he can to keep himself functioning. It's good to read that you agree with the theory. :) I guess it seems fairly commonsensical to me, so I'm glad that others concur.
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Post by peachybc on Feb 19, 2007 7:01:14 GMT -5
To respond to your comment on finding a thread about the theory of Goren being on prescription drugs, there is some discussion of it on the Privilege thread. You have to look around, but here is one quote from my buddy, both from here & from the NBC board, PeachyBC: I do agree with this theory, BTW! ;D Imagine my surprise when I saw this! Thanks for bringing my thoughts forward, DonnaJo. I'm going to stick my neck out again and say I think Goren is experiencing signs of functional depression because of Momma Goren. (And not to worry DonnaJo, I'm not going to say any more that!!) And now we can tack on the problems, pressures with brother Michael. Oh my. I'm looking forward to this episode tomorrow night. Hope the writers have done justice to it with a balanced hand. PeachyBC Donna, the quote from Peachy is very good; thanks for posting it. I remember that scene graphically (for a change) and recall just how much I was impressed by VDO's putting so much implied information into a brief nonverbal response. His expression was filled with so much irony that it's hard to escape the conclusion that he's on meds of some kind. And given the fact that he's been going through the wringer for some time now, it seems that would be a completely plausible step. After all, he needs to do what he can to keep himself functioning. It's good to read that you agree with the theory. :) I guess it seems fairly commonsensical to me, so I'm glad that others concur. Hi Dan, Good to read that I'm not alone in the above thoughts/theory. PeachyBC
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Post by Patcat on Feb 19, 2007 9:50:56 GMT -5
I've always thought Goren suffered from at least mild depression--certainly everything that's happened to him recently is more than enough to give him a serious case.
I'm not so sure about the medication, though. He's always had his very thoughtful moments. And I'm not sure the NYPD would allow him to stay on the job if he was taking really powerful medications.
Patcat
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Post by gibbsfandan on Feb 19, 2007 22:43:20 GMT -5
Patcat, that's a good question re. whether an officer or detective would be allowed to remain on duty if he/she were taking certain types of medications. Questions of soundness in judgment obviously become that much more serious when you're talking about people who are well-armed (and, needless to say, potentially dangerous if they have conditions requiring major medication.) At this point, though, the question may be moot, since we have no clear indication that those around Goren have noted anything unusually amiss.
My own speculation is that Eames has seen the same tics, jitteriness, etc., that many viewers have commented on, but that she's going to keep quiet about it until (and if) she has reason to think that Goren can't function adequately at his job. As always, she's getting his back; and even apart from the possible meds issue, she would know that without his work, Goren would likely sink into an even more serious depression. — Like I said, it's all speculation, but it seems to me a plausible scenario.
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Post by peachybc on Feb 20, 2007 8:33:33 GMT -5
Patcat, that's a good question re. whether an officer or detective would be allowed to remain on duty if he/she were taking certain types of medications. Questions of soundness in judgment obviously become that much more serious when you're talking about people who are well-armed (and, needless to say, potentially dangerous if they have conditions requiring major medication.) At this point, though, the question may be moot, since we have no clear indication that those around Goren have noted anything unusually amiss. My own speculation is that Eames has seen the same tics, jitteriness, etc., that many viewers have commented on, but that she's going to keep quiet about it until (and if) she has reason to think that Goren can't function adequately at his job. As always, she's getting his back; and even apart from the possible meds issue, she would know that without his work, Goren would likely sink into an even more serious depression. — Like I said, it's all speculation, but it seems to me a plausible scenario. Excellent, Dan. Very, very well said! Glad you joined up! PeachyBC
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Post by ladyday on Mar 29, 2007 19:25:42 GMT -5
B--I agree that Goren seemed to be behind the beat. He appears to be suffering from a compilation of personal problems and trying to function keeping it together.
Medication could be hazardous since he carries a firearm and must be able to operate a vehicle, let alone interview suspects in a very dangerous and emotionally charged environment. If he is on anti depression medication, it could hamper this and should notify his superior. Desk duty would be more appropriate.
Perhaps the medication question will be answered later. However, he was clearly distracted.
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Post by Techguy on Jan 11, 2011 0:43:14 GMT -5
Bump for catch-up EOTW voting
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