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Post by Sirenna on May 5, 2007 11:29:55 GMT -5
Wasn't she also in the episode this season where the blond girl wakes up next to her dead professor lover? I think she was the more together sister who commits the murder. The one where the patriarchal grandfather favours one son over another and one grandson over another.
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Post by ragincajun on May 5, 2007 11:44:55 GMT -5
That was Carrie Preston she was Lena in Bedfellows( the more together sister n law) and Doreen in Magnificat where the mom tries to blow her self up and her kids in the car. The one who was lying down with the dead Historian Adlai was Charlene, played by Missy Crider.
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Post by Cassie on May 5, 2007 12:11:48 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this already, but Amy Ryan who plays Edie "Mrs. Commander" Nelson in Rocket Man also played Julie Turner in Suite Sorrow.
yes i noticed this which is why again this episode was see through -- another repeat offender. I believe that if you study all long running TV shows. The same, small name, guest stars are "repeat offenders" They belong to an acting company in the area where the show is filmed. That's one thing I have enjoyed about watching all 3 L&O's shows, recognizing the guest stars, and naming what episode I orignally saw them on a LOCI. Thanks for the info on Edie, I was struggling with that face
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Post by Techguy on May 5, 2007 13:00:32 GMT -5
Even if the writer's are choosing to dumb down the script, VDO may not be dumbing down his subtle portrayal of a man in emotional pain. DonnaJo, you've highlighted the reason why I think most of the G/E episodes haven't impressed me this season. The introduction of Goren's personal family troubles and focusing on his personal turmoil have undermined and trivialized the crime stories. Watching a man like Goren in emotional pain does not make for compelling or interesting TV. His lapses in concentration and atypical behavior have been major distractions. That's why I've said from way back in the day that Goren is someone I hardly recognize and cannot relate to this season. Subtle or not, realistic or not, I just have not enjoyed this part of his journey. The sub-par, overly simplistic, "dumbed down" crime stories have only exacerbated the problems I've had processing and accepting the majority of the G/E episodes after "Blind Spot."
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Post by lodi on May 5, 2007 18:24:48 GMT -5
DonnaJo - ooohh, I had forgotten about the Diving Knife comment. And the astronaut keeps the knife with the bloody shirt in the trunk of her car! They really do think we're dumb. I agree that the actors are talented and are doing a good job - I think they are just working with the (unfortunate) scripts they are being given. D'Onofrio has certainly projected personal pain AND been the quirky, brilliant detective in many episodes before - and Erbe's remarks are well-delivered, but only as clever as the writer makes them. I think that the writers can (and have in the past) given us great crime stories and (a little) personal turmoil - keeping all of us happy. One should not have to be sacrificed for the other.
Maybe the change is a comment on how Americans like simplistic, melodramatic stuff like the recent SVUs. But then, wouldn't the ratings for CI be increasing? And many of us CI fans certainly aren't happy.
Lodi
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Post by Sirenna on May 8, 2007 17:34:03 GMT -5
I did like the way Goren responded when the panty-rambling astronaut accounted for his whereabouts by saying "I was home in bed." "Who's bed?" I wouldn't say nuggets but here and there a flake of gold leaf to brighten things up
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Post by drsues on May 8, 2007 22:07:02 GMT -5
I hope this doesn't ramble too much, or be too off topic: I didn't "mind" this episode. It wasn't the most stellar, but the comraderie between Goren and Eames was a pleasure. Seeing the developement of the relationship between Ross and Goren is also a pleasure. When I run into episodes that are, shall we say, "less" than others, I do tend to rationalize them like this: we are seeing a slice of a much bigger pie. Not every crime assigned to these detectives is particularily hard-not every criminal they come up against is particularily clever. One of the reasons cases are sent to MCS is due to who is involved-the players are high profile, hence the involvement here.
When you see more of the lives of our favorite detectives in an episode, it's another slice. I enjoy the family background. If this is to be truer to life, we should never see the old Goren or the old Eames from episodes past. They are older, wiser (hopefuly), and more careworn from the situations they deal with. This is the tempering we all go thru in life, and I'm hoping for a stronger Goren and Eames as a result of what we've seen. (Go Go Next Season!!!)
Even with all that said, I'd like to see the harder cases back, where Goren and Eames shine, where the personal experiences effect/enhance their ability to solve cases.
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Post by meggyd on Jul 20, 2007 22:51:55 GMT -5
I didn't mind this episode. It wasn't great, it wasn't awful. I don't like the ripped from the headlines thing when it's done too close to the event - had the same problem with Bombshell.
A few great moments. What I like about Ross is that he can dish out the comments, but he can take them too. When Goren threw back the "So am I, so are you" line, instead of being angry or defensive, we just got the wry grin from Ross. He knew he'd been bested in that one. A contrast to Bobby's more annoyed take when EXACTLY the same thing happened with Peter in Silencer and Peter repeated "We're in a public place, we have no reasonable expectation of privacy" back at him.
The crime was a bit obvious. As soon as the wife arrived on the scene in New York I knew it was her (and her constantly referring to her husband as The Commander was creepy). As soon as we saw Sandy obviously applying the lotion in a time of stress I knew there was something in it. And I absolutely knew the "Houston we have a problem line" was going to be worked in there somewhere. There seemed to be an awful lot of looney females wandering round this episode wreaking havoc. So many that Craig's comment about wishing females never joined the program almost seemed justified (in this tv version of things) though why he directed that comment at Eames specifically I don't know. He's lucky the elevator doors closed before she could react much.
However, I did find the stuff about the Space Program 'pressure cooker' interesting, the need for Houston to have the 'face' of the mission and all the press requirements and the 'business' side of space travel. Also, Goren and Eames seemed to be back in sync again and that was good to see.
I really find the recycling of guest stars distracting. I don't really focus on the new character because I'm trying to place the one they previously played or thinking about what they did in the previous episode. I don't mean the recurring characters, like Rogers or Lewis or excited forensic accountant guy, they're all great and add to the sense of continuity and size of the CI universe, but when people come back as completely different characters I find it jarring.
Only a few more episodes to go. They are running the final episodes out of order in Australia, we have Renewal next week, and Endgame for the season finale. Not sure why they chose to do that.
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Post by Techguy on Jul 29, 2007 4:00:15 GMT -5
Someone please tell me we won't be getting "Rocket Man: the Sequel" from NASA or CI anytime soon.
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Post by musicwench on Jul 29, 2007 12:48:53 GMT -5
Someone please tell me we won't be getting "Rocket Man: the Sequel" from NASA or CI anytime soon. LOL I thought the same thing when I heard the story about drunk astronauts.
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Post by prodigaltwit on Jul 30, 2007 22:01:56 GMT -5
what can I add?? not much. I pretty much agree with most of you here that this was one of the more disappointing episodes of the season
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Post by Patcat on Sept 30, 2010 8:33:18 GMT -5
Bump for EOTW
Patcat
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