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Post by deathroe on Oct 26, 2007 1:04:34 GMT -5
I always thought that was so sweet (sorry, chick moment). It was a sign of a close partnership.
For my money it's the scene in "Silver Lining" where he wakes her up with coffee. One is not quite immune to this chick moment thing.
I think Goren has always been so focused on surviving and overcoming the effects his childhood and intellect had on his life, that his intention is not to be exclusionary, it's just a bad habit that rears it's head now and then.
Very well taken. Both he and Eames are survivors. I imagine that it would take a lot for them to be vulnerable with each other.
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Post by gorensdoppelganger on Oct 26, 2007 2:09:42 GMT -5
Deathroe stated:For my money it's the scene in "Silver Lining" where he wakes her up with coffee. One is not quite immune to this chick moment thing.Oh, I can't tell you how many times I watched that scene. Watching his hand go in and out of his jacket, in and out, in and out. Is it getting hot in here? Just kidding, but I did watch this scene an obscene number of times.
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Post by Patcat on Oct 26, 2007 8:19:09 GMT -5
My random two bits on some very well thought out and written responses.
I think Goren and Eames have an established and healthy partnership. Both are happy where they are. There's an early episode where both Deakins and Goren encourage Eames to join a Mayor's Task Force, and she makes her famous comment that she's not in the job to get noticed.
But, as other have noted, Goren isn't an easy person to deal with. And, while I love him and think he's a heroic figure for his devotion to his responsibilities, it's easy for any person to became wrapped up in their own lives, particularly when he/she is dealing with a tragic situation. I'm sure Goren has been selfish at times, perhaps just to save his own sanity. And it appears he's always lived alone, which can lead to a certain amount of tunnel vision.
But outside forces have been working on Goren and Eames for the past months. They've lost their captain--and I think both detectives had gotten very close to Deakins. Goren especially seemed to have come to respect him as he does few authority figures. I suspect neither of them has really come to terms with Eames' kidnapping and Goren's resulting guilt (deserved or not). Then Goren's mother. Then the reopening of the murder of Eames' husband. Any one of these events could cause a need for reflection. The combination...well, I've written before...I'd be more worried about these two if they weren't having second thoughts about their lives. My take on the end of SMILES is that Goren is looking for reassurance and that Eames' response is that they've already been through all of this and don't need to discuss it.
My hope is that the two of them come through these fires stronger and better.
Also, I think Ross is becoming far more understanding and supportive of all of his detectives.
Patcat
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Post by deathroe on Oct 26, 2007 12:20:44 GMT -5
PatCat, this is lovely and astute. Your point about outside forces is particularly well taken.
I miss hero Goren ::sniff::
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Post by Patcat on Oct 26, 2007 14:17:17 GMT -5
Right now, I tend to think that Goren is heroic for just showing up at his job. I don't mean that to be flippant, but with everything that's happened to him and is happening, he's showing incredible guts just to make it to work every day.
Patcat
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Post by deathroe on Oct 26, 2007 14:37:36 GMT -5
Yes, that is fabulous. Thanks. Heroic for getting through the day.
Now I feel guilty over my Friday afternoon nap *g*
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Post by caseyswife on Oct 27, 2007 0:49:10 GMT -5
I was also wondering, as Techguy mentioned, about the shooting order. If "Smile" was shot before "Amends," then the Goren/Eames exchange is less twilight zonish. I know I am a terribly late to this discussion party and someone may have already answered/commented about this, but "Depths" (the episode coming up next Thursday) was actually the first episode filmed this season. Then "Amends," then "Smile." (They are currently filming "Untethered" I believe.) I am on board with Techguy and some others - I don't like them airing the shows out of shooting sequence. When Katie and Vincent did the phone interview with the media before the season began, one of them commented about the last line of the "third" Goren and Eames episode - that this line would assure people that they were okay and answer some of the concerns about their partnership. Now, were they referring to "Smile?" Or has the order of episodes been further rearranged and now the comment is in another episode?? Or a previous one?? I did enjoy the more old style moments of the episode, but I hated the whole Leslie scenario with Bobby. Hasn't the man been through enough? And I agree with those who say that the whole last exchange with Bobby and Eames was unnecessary - even if it was the "line" referred to in the interview, all it did was confuse us even more. I thought that VDO's expression and emotion when confronting Leslie about the children's deaths in the last scene was perfect - as was Katie Erbe's in the morgue when the little sister died. The way these two actors can inflect one single line or scene or moment with such poignancy continues to amaze me. Well, considering this is the first time I have felt up to saying more than a line or two about an episode in the past year, I hope that was okay! caseyswife
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Post by DonnaJo on Oct 27, 2007 18:03:23 GMT -5
Well, considering this is the first time I have felt up to saying more than a line or two about an episode in the past year, I hope that was okay! caseyswife That was very well stated, caseyswife (as always). Yes, someone in charge of production, quality control, whatever, didn't take into account how showing the episodes out of order would confuse people. More like it, they grossly underestimated fans (like the people on this Board) who can spot an irregularity or inconsistency in a flash. Now how will they explain Bobby's beard/stubble in "Depths?" They better not just have him walking around like that with no mention of a reason. That would be ridiculous.
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Post by tealb on Oct 27, 2007 21:45:33 GMT -5
I don't like them airing the shows out of shooting sequence. When Katie and Vincent did the phone interview with the media before the season began, one of them commented about the last line of the "third" Goren and Eames episode - that this line would assure people that they were okay and answer some of the concerns about their partnership. Now, were they referring to "Smile?" Or has the order of episodes been further rearranged and now the comment is in another episode?? Or a previous one?? It was Kate who made the comment and it was after they'd just finished filming "Smile". I checked the dates -- it was the last week of September, just prior to the October 4 premiere, when they did the interview. T.
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Post by DonnaJo on Oct 29, 2007 8:02:24 GMT -5
I know many of us on this Board have cats (or had a cat ) I had to laugh during the aria, all this talk about tons of cat hair on Jim's jacket. The lint brush covered with it. The guy had one cat, not a dozen. Having had one cat myself, I never had all this cat hair on my clothing. Maybe a few strands. Did anyone else find that odd?
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Post by Summerfield on Oct 29, 2007 8:13:11 GMT -5
Yes. I have two cats and where one will leave her little black hairs on one of my sofa cushions (her favorite spot), I never have to lint brush my clothes.
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Post by nwchimom on Oct 29, 2007 8:37:37 GMT -5
I've never had a cat, DonnaJo, but I used to work with a lot of women who did and there were a couple who were always covered in cat hair. So it might be the breed of cat. Also, most pets tend to shed more than usual at the beginning of summer and again when the weather turns colder.
*laughing because as I reread my post I noticed I said "brand" of cat instead of "breed"*
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Post by Summerfield on Oct 29, 2007 9:41:06 GMT -5
I'm laughing because I noticed I turned a lint brush into a verb!
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Post by musicwench on Oct 29, 2007 12:02:42 GMT -5
It does indeed depend on the breed. If you have a Turkish Angora, you'll have more fur around your house than you can keep up with. Any long hair cat will be more of a problem than short hair ones. I am never getting another long hair cat again if I can help it. Right now I have a tiger tabby and he's just fine. When I had a Turkish Angora, Maine Coon and the tiger tabby, it was a vacuuming nightmare.
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Post by deathroe on Nov 2, 2007 1:54:42 GMT -5
Has any one commented on the doughnuts in this episode yet?
What I am curious about is whether the doughnuts reference something being "consummated" as Bogosian remarked in an interview. Please say these weren't the doughnuts he meant! :-o
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