Post by Summerfield on Oct 19, 2007 11:13:48 GMT -5
Asked and answered. Eames could have waffled her response but didn't. She gave him a straight answer, the truth. Yeah it's too late to worry. It was as if she was telling him, "Look, I'm in for the long haul." And I agree this might to a set up to the episode where Goren's mental state is challenged...again. And we have to accept that the writers are introducing previous issues to a new audience.
As for the woman wearing gloves, it's no stranger than Leslie leaving Martin's suit jacket hanging in the office after she moved in.
Since when are the autopsied bodies shown with their eyes open?
Gaffigan's character reminded me of his character in "Dead" (the mounted inhaler). Seems he wasn't suited for his job at the FDA either.
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I enjoyed this episode even though I fell asleep near the end. It had that old CI feel to it and Goren was so Goren. "Cough syrup in Panama!" I thought it lost some of it's energy near the end, but a good solid episode.
Post by gorensdoppelganger on Oct 19, 2007 11:31:30 GMT -5
LO:CI, love your ICON.
To answer your question, the villain in this story is Leslie. She meets Goren alone on two occasions trying to act the "Whistle Blower" to help resolve the case. As it turns out, she wanted her boss of 7 years out of the way, so she could have his job. Her name is Leslie.
When Leslie is being taken away, she yells at Goren, that he'll never become senior partner, and that Eames won't become Captain due to Goren's behaviors. Goren asks Eames if she thinks this statement is true, and Eames answer is "that it's to late". It's the way Eames says this line and the look that she gives Goren which is upsetting to some fans.
Post by Summerfield on Oct 19, 2007 11:47:54 GMT -5
Leslie taunts Eames by telling her she'll never make Captain because her career is tainted by Goren. "He's insubordinate and unstable. How long before he loses it and takes you down with him?" Later Goren asks, "You worry about what she said? Your career is tainted by me?" "I used to," Eames replies. Goren asks,"Now?" Eames responds with "It's too late."
Post by ragincajun on Oct 19, 2007 11:56:30 GMT -5
It would have been better If she said, I'ts too late your stuck with me, or some smirk like that. It was just too cut and dry, Maybe she is still hurting from those feeling brought up by the last case, having to relive her husbands murder.
Or maybe she is tired of being Goren's rock, maybe she wants to step back. Tired of having to reassure him. Trying to maintain her own sanity.
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Rats, I had a wonderful reply half typed up and went searching through the thread to find a couple of references and people's names, and lost my reply. Is there a way of avoiding that? (OK, yeah, I could find the references and jot them down first. But is there anything else?)
I did think the writing was VERY WEAK in this episode, but I may have a couple of answers to points that people have raised: Techguy, I can see where the FDA and the company thought the damage had already been done to the little boy, figured the mouthwash was out of that house, and focused on finding it elsewhere. This would leave the mother to search the apartment thoroughly, and of course she's completely mentally disorganized; her idea of an appropriate response to her son's death is to consider slitting daughter's throat. It's not surprising that the stash wasn't found. That said, I do think the death of the little girl was completely superfluous. What was gained, either in the plot or in the character development?
And darmok, I thought Goren's reference to "Mrs. Eames" was quietly brilliant. The woman knows that Eames is a cop, of course, but referring to her that way makes two points: Eames isn't just a cop, she's a wife and maybe a mother, a woman just like you; and I'm a traditional guy who gives women their old-fashioned courtesy titles, a gentleman who isn't going to try to attack you or force any issues even if you're holding a knife. It's not surprising that he connected with the woman well enough that she put down the knife. If the rest of the episode had measured up to that scene, it would have been a darn good episode.
After a second viewing of this episode and more time to consider what happened, I'm still not comfortable with how the Leslie character was presented, most especially in the disturbing final scene. What was the point of having her throw out her "research" comment and insults about Goren's and Eames' careers?
If CI episodes are being aired out of their shooting sequence, this might be contributing to the problems I have resolving the final G/E exchange in "Smile." In "Amends" both detectives open up to each other about how isolated they are. And even though Goren at first upsets her with his investigation into her husband's murder, in the end Eames recognizes that what's most important is that her husband's true killer be identified and brought to justice.
Now, in "Smile" we have Leslie trying to breach the G/E bond, and we are left with an ambiguous final scene as to where G/E stand with each other. I don't like being jerked around; I want and expect some reasonable continuity and consistency to how the G/E partnership is progressing. The final scenes in "Smile" muddied the waters of my understanding of where G/E is headed, which annoys the heck out of me.
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Thanks for the advice, ragincajun! (This assumes, of course, that I know where Notepad is, but I think I can find it. I am about as far from being computer literate as it's possible to get.)
I agree with those who disliked Eames' reaction in the last scene. I had the feeling that Erbe was directed to play it that way. "It's too late," in that context, is a line that pleads for a wry little smile, and in fact I laughed for a moment before I realized that Eames was deadpan, almost severe. I think that was a directorial choice, and a bad one.
WARNING: I'm going to ramble, and I may or may not be clear....but the writing just feels "off" to me. Not just different, because I can handle different. But it seems to have taken a serious negative dive in quality.
Where before, when the show was at its best, the writing just flowed....now it seems to telegraph. And it telegraphs SO LOUDLY.
I feel like the subtlety is gone and it's all just being rubbed right in my face like I'm dim. For example, Goren WAS more Goren last night, but to me it felt like someone (writing-wise, not acting-wise) was giving us an impersonation of Goren, complete with a size 13 shoe reference. Goodness, it's as if suddenly someone pulled away all the drapes and I can see their underpants, and it's very distracting. Instead of feeling so real and true, it feels more forced, like they're throwing me a bone with the little references in hopes I'll let the schlocky writing pass.
Like this whole new supposed conflict between Goren and Eames. It feels like they've just decided this will be the season that their partnership breaks, and all backstory be damned. It doesn't feel natural, it feels like a very clear choice to put a story arc over character development.
The same with Goren's instability. They're certainly working hard at shoving it down my throat, but that doesn't magically make it believable. Flat out telling me he is a whack-job and that he has this horrible reputation just doesn't fly. I mean, yes, he's quirky, always has been. I'm sure there are plenty of more traditional cops on the force who have made little jabs and jokes about him over the years....but this level of sudden disdain and lack of respect for him just feels unreal to me given what I've seen of his career the past 6 years.
It's not as if I'm hating the show, or going to stop watching because I'm too invested in the characters to just lose all curiousity and interest....I'm just disappointed.
Again, pardon the ramble. This is why I haven't been posting in the episode threads the past couple weeks, I'm just baffled and dismayed.
I'm feeling a bit
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