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Post by musicwench on Oct 21, 2007 11:00:56 GMT -5
Agreed, Leslie didn't succeed in her plans to play Goren. He's been around too long & has the cautious skepticism that a seasoned cop has when it comes to dealing with witnesses & possible whistle blowers. Yet I must give her credit, because she did have him fooled for a good part of the investigation with her "I'm the good person here" act. He believed her. It wasn't until Stacey told them about Leslie's sneaky ways that he realized she wasn't all sugar & spice. Goren was embarrassed about being fooled by Leslie's innocent act. He squirmed when Stacey's commented about Leslie wearing red to get what she wants. And his usual relished delight in laying out the perps guilty facts was absent when he was telling Ross about Leslie's lies. This tells me that she got to him personally. Maybe it wasn't love, but he liked her & trusted her. Therefore, his hurt reaction to her biting insults wasn't a complete surprise to me. Yet, regardless of everything, it never stopped him from nailing Leslie - taunting her with the evidence of her guilt, and arresting her. I agree with those who have compared Leslie more to Nicole than to Nelda. Leslie displayed the traits of a psychopath, and also had no qualms in using her research at the end to hurt Goren & try & destroy his partnership with Eames. I hope this doesn't mean she'll be a recurring character, Goren's new nemesis.....Yikes. Agreed here, Donna. I think he was fooled in the beginning. He even suggested to Stacy that perhaps she might be defaming the 'whistle blower' when she was talking about how Leslie 'makes sure she gets what she's due.' So he was played. Perhaps not successfully because while Goren might not like what the truth reveals, he always ends up following where it leads. I have to admit upon reading comments on it, perhaps Leslie is more Nicole-like. But then Nelda was scheming as well. Using tactics to divide Goren and Eames with statements about Eames not carrying her weight and Eames needing to be careful around Goren because of the possibility of his inheriting his mother's schizophrenia. Ah well, more to digest.
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Post by DonnaJo on Oct 21, 2007 11:27:11 GMT -5
I sure did, ragin. All venomous hatred, like "I'll get you where you live....where it really hurts." Just like Nicole, who had the advantage of using Mom & Carmel Ridge. Now all Goren really has is his job & Eames. And yes, Leslie didn't look whipped at all. Like Nicole never did. Good point, musicwench. Nelda tried "splitting" Goren & Eames. But she was more pathetic than evil. And even though Goren nailed Nelda the same way by taunting her, she never retaliated & hurt him back. Although a definite Nelda moment, when Leslie whines " Why are doing this ......(Robert)
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Post by maherjunkie on Oct 21, 2007 11:45:05 GMT -5
Eames to me has been a little B***h as of late occasionally. She was cold to him in one scene last season, I believe it was "Endgame" when he jokes they think she's his girlfriend and she doesn't even crack a smile, and now this.
"Excuse me, I just solved the crime of your dead husband! Don't mind me!"
To Leslie, these comments could have rang true, and maybe in moments of great stress as of late, Goren and Eames were thrown off their guard. Which would explain Eames' sudden cleavage. And was that Logan I saw in the background in the cafeteria scene?
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Post by musicwench on Oct 21, 2007 12:01:59 GMT -5
I don't think Eames was cold to him in that scene from Endgame. She did smile at the end of that scene. They were both smiling. I think it was more she was surprised by the comment and had no idea what to say to it.
That's why it makes it even more odd to me that she said something like she did in Smile. Now I understand I might be taking it the wrong way and I hope I am because it just seems so out of character.
Last season the only time she seemed cold to Goren was in TWAH and he deserved it, quite frankly. She was trying to show concern and he kept brushing her off and throwing that little temper tantrum of his.
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Post by maherjunkie on Oct 21, 2007 12:19:03 GMT -5
I thought she was a hardass then! The moment called for some tenderness (even though she was considerate of him earlier in that ep) and the man just needed his space, not a crime when you are upset.
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Post by divendra on Oct 21, 2007 13:15:33 GMT -5
I'm a newbie to CI and to this board. I've only been watching CI for about 2 weeks, but I've watched all of Season 1 plus about 30 episodes from different seasons recorded on tivo, so I'm not real knowledgeable about the show but have seen enough to be at least familiar with the various issues.
After watching Smile I came to this thread to read reactions to the show, particularly about Bobby and Lesley. It seemed to me that they were hinting at an attraction, so I wanted to see if anyone else noticed that.
Techguy posted above that he caught on to Lesley when she started cosying up to Bobby, but did anyone notice that when Lesley, Palin, the guy from the drug company, Eames and Bobby were discussing the tainted mouthwash that Lesley did not speak up and point out that the fake logo had 6 mountain peaks instead of 5, as Kettle had told her to do? When Bobby brought it up she got sort of a guilty look on her face . That was the first time I questioned her motives.
As for Eames's response when Bobby asked her if she thought working with him had hurt her career, I was disturbed by her answer. The look on her face when she left the room was not the look of someone who had just said something in a joking way, and Bobby didn't look too happy, I thought. I guess this was to lay the groundwork for them to explore the characters more this season, as VDO said in an interview that was shown on the USA site.
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Post by DonnaJo on Oct 21, 2007 13:59:35 GMT -5
Welcome, divendra! An excellent first post. What a great catch - pointing out that Leslie didn't do as Jim urged, that is to make sure to point out the six snowcaps. She had ample opportunity to bring it up before Goren noticed it, but she didn't. And yes, she did look a little guilty to me. I, too, think we were supposed to notice that Goren was somewhat attracted to Leslie, maybe just as a nice woman to mix some dinner with pleasure over. If he didn't like her, I doubt he would have went out to dinner with her. She wasn't like Liza Minelli in Masquerade, needing attention. Hey, maybe Leslie suggested dinner for a "free entitlement" meal? She had Goren use of his meal vouchers.
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Post by nwchimom on Oct 21, 2007 14:32:04 GMT -5
Speaking of their dinner, DonnaJo, I just read the production blog at the USA site....the director said that scene was shot on the Staten Island Ferry. So they went to Staten Island for dinner? Seems odd they'd leave Manhattan for dinner. I wonder if a) Leslie said she didn't want anyone to see her being the whistleblower, or b) it WAS a romantic dinner for Bobby and he didn't want anyone seeing him on a date with someone linked to his current case.
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Post by musicwench on Oct 21, 2007 14:35:43 GMT -5
I thought she was a hardass then! The moment called for some tenderness (even though she was considerate of him earlier in that ep) and the man just needed his space, not a crime when you are upset. LOL He's not the only one under stress all the time, was my take on it. And I suppose we can't help inject some of our own personality into our opinions of what is and what is not appropriate and my personality would have been rather frustrated and fed up with Goren at that point. 'I'm sorry you're having a hard time but a little communication would be nice and not the throwing a temper tantrum like you're ten kind either.' Yes, yes, he's the beleaguered genius and all but it's not like Eames had a great year either. She's not a doormat and she shouldn't be. I don't care how saintly Goren might be. Bad behavior is bad behavior whether it comes from a ten year old child or a 45 year old genius. She has a right to get mad and if she didn't I would have wondered if she was turning into a doormat.
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Post by DonnaJo on Oct 21, 2007 14:42:23 GMT -5
Speaking of their dinner, DonnaJo, I just read the production blog at the USA site....the director said that scene was shot on the Staten Island Ferry. So they went to Staten Island for dinner? Seems odd they'd leave Manhattan for dinner. I wonder if a) Leslie said she didn't want anyone to see her being the whistleblower, or b) it WAS a romantic dinner for Bobby and he didn't want anyone seeing him on a date with someone linked to his current case. I thought the scene they were referring on the USA site was strictly the scene on the ferry outside near the railing. How they had to load the equipment & shoot everything during one round trip. Are you sure the restaurant scene was mentioned? I don't remember that.
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Post by LO:CI on Oct 21, 2007 14:43:17 GMT -5
Bad behavior is bad behavior whether it comes from a ten year old child or a 45 year old genius. What bad behaviour of Bobby are you reffering to?
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Post by nwchimom on Oct 21, 2007 14:56:10 GMT -5
DonnaJo, wasn't that scene right after they left the restaurant? Or were those separate meetings? I haven't been sleeping well so my brain is a little foggy. I guess they were separate meetings, weren't they? I was thinking they were returning from dinner. Never mind.
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Post by Ladyheather on Oct 21, 2007 15:07:05 GMT -5
I think for Goren there was a moment when he was attracted to her and let down his guard. That was only for a moment. He has a "House" philosophy, "everyone lies". He has been a cop too long, to forget that the person the most helpful has something to gain by the crime.
The last scene with Goren didn't strike me so much with the exchange with Eames. She knows how she feels about him, she would have left by now if she didn't trust him. I think that he however, has moments of doubt, or he would not have started that line of questioning.
The rant by Leslie pointed out for us, that Goren is still shaky about himself and where he is in the scheme of things. He winced when she pointed out that he would never advance because of the opinions of the higher ups. It was the crazy cop thing from Amends. He used it for his advantage but it still hurts to not be taken seriously by Major Case. The methods, not the results are the things he gets criticized for regularly. Maybe this is building on the mental health issues on future shows this season.
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Post by divendra on Oct 21, 2007 15:34:07 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcome, DonnaJo. This is such a great forum - the perfect place for the CI- and Bobby-obsessed! I think you made a very good point about Leslie probably trying to wheedle a free dinner out of Bobby since she seemd to be that kind of person anyway.
As far as him being interested in her, someone pointed out eariler that he called her Leslie, not Miss LeZard, which was a kind of signal that he had an interest in her which was not strictly related to the case. I don't remember him addressing witnesses in other cases by their first names. Calling her by her first name seemed unusually personal to me, especially so early in the investigation. Maybe, having lost his mother, he is trying to find a personal relationship to fill a part of that emptiness.
I went back and watched the last scene between Goren and Eames, and to me she definitely does not look happy, so I have to assume she meant what she said. I don't understand her attitude, but then I haven't seen the 6th season drama that might explain it.
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Post by musicwench on Oct 21, 2007 18:45:26 GMT -5
Bad behavior is bad behavior whether it comes from a ten year old child or a 45 year old genius. What bad behaviour of Bobby are you reffering to? From TWAH, actually. We were digressing. LOL Sorry for the confusion. I was referring to Bobby's not answering Alex when she asked him about his mom, etc. and when she said she would cover for him while he went to see her he didn't even bother to thank her. Then he threw his little 'desk clearing' tantrum and when Eames went to talk to him he told her to back off. If I were her, I'd be pissed and apparently she was.
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