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Post by deathroe on Nov 2, 2007 14:26:11 GMT -5
In prior seasons info, attitudes, and remarks were eeked out in dribbles and drabs and not re-addressed until seasons later.
Exxxxactly.
It does seem to be a Leight/ish trademark to spoonfeed, however. As in the following (paraphrased) examples:
Goren: We talked to Beth. Ross: Beth, the Mother?
Eames: He did not have sex with her. It was her shuttle commander, Whatsisname. (<--And I could still swear Erbe's trying not to laugh in this take).
Goren: Major Case, as in the Major Case Squad <--Ok, that last one was a joke.
I loved all the allusion and mystery. It's what makes me watch seasons 1-4 quite repeatedly at the expense of the later seasons.
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Post by deathroe on Nov 2, 2007 14:31:30 GMT -5
stab at Gorens heart. Nothing without parents and kids. Geez.
At the risk of pedantry, this line (at least the childlessness part) might also apply to Eames. But agreed. Let's stop taunting the poor man!!
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Post by Patcat on Nov 2, 2007 15:16:36 GMT -5
I believe the split schedule has also increased the perception that we're getting more episodes dealing with the character's personal lifes. We've had three episodes with Goren and Eames this year, and two have been character driven (or "soapy" if you prefer). I think Season 6 broke pretty much even between character and procedural.
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Post by spits on Nov 2, 2007 15:47:14 GMT -5
The more I let this one "sit", the more I like it. Whatever flaws there were, I can say that it was still a very enjoyable episode. I thought the crime was different and interesting (and I agree with those who have said that it had a more "old school" CI feel) and it was nice to have a break from all the angst. I too wished for a resolution from the 'Smile' comment, but perhaps the next Goren & Eames episode will deal with that (I hope!).
The look between Ross & Rodgers was more awkward than anything, but it does make me wonder what was going on there. I thought the research scene was pretty awesome, not going to lie.
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Post by ragincajun on Nov 2, 2007 16:23:48 GMT -5
Do you think they were really going to raise the boat? Or was it just a ploy to get him to confess? I don't think NYPD would pay to raise the boat. And who was paying for those boats to be there? Or did they make some kind of deal with the guy who owned the boat, who killed Chilli? You let us use your boats, we cut a few years off? Just a thought.
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Post by outerbankschick on Nov 2, 2007 17:06:40 GMT -5
I have to say, I totally liked this episode. It reminded me of the older CI epis, with more turns and complications. Though I have to say, I didn't quite buy Frederick (Dale - Ill Bred) as a sophisticate. He fit much better as Dale, everyone's "stable-buddy". I knew Harper had something to do with the case, but didn't peg him as the killer early on. I really enjoyed the research scenes, with all of that digging into old books and archives. I liked watching the historical evidence pan out. Yeah, I'm a history geek, too. Have to be shallow for just a moment and say our Bobby is smokin' hot with the beard! Best lines (IMO): Goren: New Zealand? Wow. There a large community of Muslims in. . .New Zealand? (This was delivered with such Goren-esque arrogance that I almost felt embarrassed for the guy it was aimed at!) Eames: Harper slipped and fell. (She looked a little sheepish there, like she was waiting for Ross to say something.) Overall, I really liked this one. And the toss into the water was beautiful. I was LOL! What a smooth move. I didn't see it as Stabler-esque. It was definitely Bobby's style to sort of grab the guy's hand the way he did and "help" him over. Like, "Ooops! Did I do that?" He definitely tossed him in though. It was no accident. Ha! More like an "accident-on-purpose". And yes, I was obsessed enough to go back and watch it slow motion and I did notice that Bobby doesn't seem to actually be holding the radio in the moment that Harper gets grabbed and tossed. Then, in the next edit, the radio is still in his hand. Do I get the "golden eyeball" for that one? I caught the look between Ross and Rodgers, but hadn't a clue what it meant. I'll have to watch it again and see what I can pick up.
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Post by nosee on Nov 2, 2007 18:39:08 GMT -5
Oh, I loved this episode!
I didn't expect any resolution to "Smile" because I knew it was the first one filmed. I thought it was an interesting case, maybe not the most complex one they have ever had, but why should that matter. Maybe it seemed dull to some of you because of that. And also there was no angst between Goren and Eames. There was no tension between them that got our brains working overtime.
My husband noticed that Eames is getting sexier. LOL!
I noticed the tension between Ross and Rogers and right away remembered the article where Eric B. mentioned Ross getting a romantic life. Wasn't expecting it to be Rogers, but I can see it. ;D
I loved the toss in the water at the end by Goren. I think it was done on purpose. I thought it was very old Gorenish. I loved the way Eames had his back with Ross.
It made me happy. ;D
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Post by DonnaJo on Nov 2, 2007 19:56:33 GMT -5
I noticed the tension between Ross and Rogers and right away remembered the article where Eric B. mentioned Ross getting a romantic life. Wasn't expecting it to be Rogers, but I can see it. ;D Yes, Ross gets romance & Rogers gets a bigger role - two for the price of one. ;D However, I can't see two people so similar in temperament & personality (cynical & sarcastic) getting along for very long. I guess that's the point - it won't last. Can't wait to see Ross bring the donuts into the squadroom - the looks on Goren & Eames'' faces will be priceless. I was disturbed by Simon's comment to Goren, "A man with no parents, no kids, what is he...nothing. His life is wasted." Even though I don't think Simon knew Goren's family situation, it was still hurtful & cut Goren to the quick. No wonder he "assisted" Simon into the water. As someone said earlier, this better not be a prelude to a Bobby Jr. or Roberta coming into the storyline. For my own sanity, I've decided that Goren's unexplained beard/stubble was in the episode only because VDO needed to keep it for one of his movie roles. I just wish they would have said something, since the NYPD is strict about facial hair (undercover being an exception).
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Post by gorenfan26 on Nov 2, 2007 22:08:57 GMT -5
I must say that I loved this episode!! The history involved was very interesting. Both Ross and Goren seemed to enjoy talking about it and researching it respectively. I did like the Ross and Rodgers exchange. It seemed like sexual tension to me. I also enjoyed the looks that Goren and Eames shot each other during that particular scene. There was no resolve to Eames' comments at the end of "Smile," but I did find it reassuring that she covered for Goren when he "accidently" pushed the guy off the boat. All in all a pretty entertaining episode.
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Post by nancyt on Nov 2, 2007 22:19:04 GMT -5
OK. I admit it. Total moron. I did NOT understand what Harper's motivation was. Could anyone explain that to me? It wasn't just about covering up the black-sheep ancestor, because he brushed that off pretty coolly ("OK. You've uncovered the family skeleton. Congratulations."). It was something about a codicil in somebody's will and his son not getting the trust?? Sorry. Pleeeease someone explain to the stupid person.
I think there's no question what the half-embarrassed look between Ross and Rogers meant. And deathroe, you're right, she does look better with red hair -- or at least with darker hair. The blond washes her complexion out completely.
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Post by nwchimom on Nov 2, 2007 23:01:58 GMT -5
Nancy, Harper's relative from the Civil War days sold land that was left to other relatives and said he lost the money in the stock market. He really put it on the boat heading to the South to aid the Confederacy. If the fraud were discovered (the money found and brought up from the ship), the relatives of those who had been defrauded would have a claim to Harper's fortune. He was already a rich man, and they could've wiped him out.
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Post by nancyt on Nov 2, 2007 23:26:54 GMT -5
nwchimom -- Thank you so much! Something about those fast-paced sentences at the end just lost me. I appreciate it.
OK, now let's all discuss whether the appropriate adjective should be "Stableresque" or "Stablerific."
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Post by darmok on Nov 2, 2007 23:42:14 GMT -5
Yes, Eames covered for Goren, but it was half-hearted. I'm sure Ross saw right through that. I don't think she was happy with Goren.
I noticed the awkwardness between Ross and Rodgers, but it didn't even cross my mind that they were romantically involved. Maybe because he has to keep smoothing over things with Rodgers because of Falacci?
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Post by Techguy on Nov 2, 2007 23:44:47 GMT -5
I didn't detect anything going on or getting started between Ross and Rodgers. I picked up on the energy of the actors EB and LH and their characters but that's it. However, I will keep a sharp eye out for a box of donuts in a future episode. ;D
I agree with those who feel Kathryn Erbe/Eames looked radiant, stunning although I could have done without the display of cleavage. KE is a very attractive woman and doesn't need to openly display any of her assets with low cut or revealing clothing. I hope this doesn't become a trend.
As for Vincent D'Onofrio--I appreciate and respect the opinions expressed by the female members about how good he looked. However, from a guy's perspective, I don't see it or get it. I thought he looked disheveled and sloppy. The facial hair grossed me out, and his clothing didn't fit properly. His clothes looked at least one size too small, like he picked them off the discount rack at a Goodwill store. If Terry Randolph could see Goren now...
And don't get me started about the life jacket vest. It looked like a child's size, I almost ROFL at how badly it fit Mr. D. The wardrobe department did him no favors in this episode.
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Post by caligirl on Nov 3, 2007 0:00:28 GMT -5
Would someone explain the donut reference to me? Thanks.
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