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Post by Patcat on Dec 6, 2007 23:01:35 GMT -5
Well...WoW...And not so wow.
I was so reved up from the depictions of Bobby undercover that everything else was anticlimatic. I'll have to see it again. But my initial reaction is one of disappointment, not the least that we have no idea when this will be resolved.
But Mr. D'Onofrio and Ms. Erbe were amazing.
Patcat
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Post by deathroe on Dec 6, 2007 23:05:30 GMT -5
Eeeeeeeeee.
I liked it--I felt like it was restrained (oops, pun unintentional). But I would have preferred more Eames to all that Frank/Bobby, and the lack of closure is horrible. I guess they want to keep us watching, or something.
I can't believe Rodgers in the evening dress or "take Eames to a motel" though. I may be in the camp that thinks he really should (and the scene with the ring??!?!)--but I still couldn't believe my ears. Holy Hannah.
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Post by MissEllie on Dec 6, 2007 23:05:53 GMT -5
The acting was indeed phenomenal in this episode. It was unsatisfying, however, with so many things unresolved. It wasn't very "extended" either.
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Post by Summerfield on Dec 6, 2007 23:08:42 GMT -5
I nearly came off the sofa when I saw Rodgers in a cocktail dress. I think I called it earlier when someone wondered about Ross wearing a tux. God, he used Brady as his name in prison. Closure? I think we've closed the book on Frank (thank God). We've buried mom and now Frank (thank God again). NO MORE of that back story! We now have to look forward to Goren searching out his nephew. I could live with that.
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Post by diablodeblanco on Dec 6, 2007 23:09:18 GMT -5
VDO acting is emmy worthy. Hated not having an ending. I think Donny will make other appearances down the road. Rogers looked hot!! Erbe's acting.....wow!!!!
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Post by deathroe on Dec 6, 2007 23:15:10 GMT -5
(1) That's right Summerfield, so you did :-D Rodgers' look was a little out there, but I still screamed ...
(2) Others have called this elsewhere, but was the Brady alias really necessary (if revelatory of Goren's mental state)??
(3) They really are both wonderful. I really liked the perspective on Eames and Goren's relationship (I'm not talking about the motel comment, either).
(4) The suspension was logical, but I'm still kind of disappointed in that. **
I'm taking a nap and watching the next airing. I'm not gonna lie ...
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Post by Techguy on Dec 6, 2007 23:21:38 GMT -5
Well...WoW...And not so wow. I'll have to see it again. But my initial reaction is one of disappointment. Mr. D'Onofrio and Ms. Erbe were amazing. I have to see this episode again too. But my initial impression is "Untethered" is all about the acting--and that's the problem. My gut reaction response is I felt I was being given a lesson in Method acting by Vincent D'Onofrio, not more insight into Detective Goren's mental state. As for Goren, he looked and behaved like he has turned into Stabler Jr. and CI (the G/E half) has become SVU Lite. But to be fair to the show, the characters, and the actors I'll give "Untethered" another look before I decide.
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Post by gorensdoppelganger on Dec 6, 2007 23:28:47 GMT -5
I like the episode. I also need to watch it again, to decide just how much. I think the thing that makes its not an outright Wow, is the ending. Why have Donny escape? If he is able to get away on his own, why did we need Goren to put his health and career on the line in the first place? I think it would have been better, for me at least, if Goren was able to report on the abuse, Donny moved because of his relationship to Goren into another prison, and Donny serve his time. This way Goren could visit him from time to time and get to know him better.
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Post by Patcat on Dec 6, 2007 23:30:48 GMT -5
Upon thinking (briefly), I have to say my sense of disappointment is largely the result of the lack of resolution. I'm unhappy at the limbo Bobby has been placed in, but it does make sense. The Brass really had to do this--Bobby did break the rules, and he does need to at least be checked out. If he didn't before he went into the prison, he certainly did after the experience.
I was pleased with Ross' response. As much as he could, he supported his detectives, and I believe Bobby was aware of it.
I think Frank's comment about Bobby taking Eames to a hotel was a sign of Frank's narrow view of women. Even after knowing and seeing that Alex is Bobby's professional partner, the only way he can view a woman is as a sexual object. The other possibility is that he saw just enough to know that one way to hurt Bobby is to attack him by using Alex.
The ads for this episode were a bit misleading. I think they suggested more time would be spent on Goren in prison and his condition would be much worse. I'm grateful that it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I was in a bad enough state as it was. I really care too much about this fictional character (g).
Patcat
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Post by deathroe on Dec 6, 2007 23:35:32 GMT -5
--Frank really is a jerk (or stronger term).
--Also, I thought the scene with the ring was more interesting than the motel scene (and did we really need all those Brady echoes, down to hands on throat? enough of that already.)
--techguy, yep--that was Stablerism, right down to the required psych. eval. They do that to Stabler, like, every week. It's kind of ironic--Bobby was always more rational than his victims. otoh I think there IS logic to what they're doing ... in the long run, this may have been a logical path for Bobby. I have a lot of ideas about this Which I'd post if I weren't so busy writing motel-set fan fiction
grading.
-Taken as a turning point, this episode reads well. I just want closure, dammit!!
--<333333 Eames.
Must stop posting now and sleep! One more day of classes!!!
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Post by Patcat on Dec 6, 2007 23:36:48 GMT -5
I thought the prison's new doctor helped Donny get away by diagnosing his appendicitis, but that was a point that got lost by the wayside.
And was that a needle that Bobby found and waved around when he confronted Frank?
And I don't think we're in SVU territory yet--LOCI is still above that(g). I didn't see this as watching Vincent D'Onofrio performing an acting exercise--I saw him as Bobby Goren in a terrible situation. Now, the script that got Bobby there I'm not so sure about.
Patcat (who needs to get to bed)
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Post by diablodeblanco on Dec 6, 2007 23:37:22 GMT -5
I think Frank's comment about Bobby taking Eames to a hotel was a sign of Frank's narrow view of women. Even after knowing and seeing that Alex is Bobby's professional partner, the only way he can view a woman is as a sexual object. The other possibility is that he saw just enough to know that one way to hurt Bobby is to attack him by using Alex. Patcat Maybe Frank's comment about taking Eames to a motel was a way of insulting Bobby, putting him on the same level as what their father was like towards women. As if being more like the father was a better way to be than how Bobby is now.
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Post by diablodeblanco on Dec 6, 2007 23:39:51 GMT -5
I think it was a crack pipe. Not sure, never have seen one in person.
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Post by darmok on Dec 6, 2007 23:39:57 GMT -5
I like that the show is becoming more character driven. A straight procedural is good, but it doesn't keep me watching. Case in point is the mothership. I always wnjoy the episodes when I watch them, but I've probably watched less than 50 over it's 14+ year span (and most of those were reruns on cable).
I was disappointed that we didn't have more of Goren in prison. And I agree that it didn't make sense to have Donny escape. But there are several things I liked a lot.
I loved how Goren bought the brick from homeless guy to help him in two ways - to give him money and to keep him from hurting someone.
When Goren was given the drugs, they affected him at first. Then he caught himself and said he was Brady. The nurse/doctor? was sympathetic, much like Gina? in Stress Position.
I'll have more to comment; I'm rewatching now.
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Post by Cassie on Dec 6, 2007 23:41:33 GMT -5
I have to see this episode again too. But my initial impression is "Untethered" is all about the acting--and that's the problem. My gut reaction response is I felt I was being given a lesson in Method acting by Vincent D'Onofrio, not more insight into Detective Goren's mental state. . Yep, thats how I saw it too! I was ok with Goren going undercover, but not much of a storyline. Why did the Warden allow this kind of behaviour, what drove her??? Maybe this episode should have been written into a 2 hour show, instead of 46 minutes vs the regular 43. I liked that Goren used his real dad's name.... he is keeping his sense of humor through life's trials.
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