Post by diablodeblanco on Feb 9, 2008 11:17:40 GMT -5
The slab scenes are unnerving. And yes I found myself watching VDO acting and not Goren in peril. I still liked the episode very much but was distracted to some extent.
For some reason I watched the episode about 3 times.....the initial airing and then reruns later on and I don't have any desire to watch it again. This is quite different from other episodes of LOCI. I love to watch reruns and will sit through them even though I have seen them umpteen times before. I just have no desire to see Untethered anymore.
I thought that I would "bump up" this thread, since we've been discussing "Untethered" lately. There are some excellent insights & comments in the 15 pages contained here, if anyone's interested.
Idget, if I remember correctly, Tate's wasn't a mental hospital. It wasn't even a prison, but a jail, like Riker's Island. A place of constant flux. Inmates come & go and the longest someone can be incarcerated is less than one year. Usually much less than that. So I would think that the guards and the warden don't really care about the inmates. The only one who cared was the Doctor. Very different than a hospital, which is getting paid by either the family or Medicaid to offer care to it's patients.
Way back in the thread, Techguy writes that he felt as if he was watching an exercise in method acting by VDO during the slab scenes. That describes perfectly how I feel as well. Also what Diablodeblanco (who I miss) wrote in the post right before this one - that she found herself watching VDO acting and not Goren in peril.
Well, I do feel as if I'm seeing Goren in peril, so I don't fault Mr. D'Onofrio's performance. A problem that I have with the episode is that I feel as if it were written to place Goren in peril, with a good deal of logic being thrown out the window. And one of the things I've come to expect from LOCI is, while it's a fictional show and has never made any claims that I know of to be a semi-documentary, is logic. One of the great things about BROTHER'S KEEPER is that it introduces the Goren family elements, but in a logical way. As I wrote elsewhere, people behave in a way that one could expect them to behave based on what we know about them.
I'm unsure about what kind of prison Tates was. Was it a facility for the mentally ill? Or were Donnie and Goren placed in a special wing for mentally ill prisoners? Whatever it is, it's a grim place. If you weren't crazy before you went there, there's a good chance you would be after some time.
OBC, Which scenes are you referring to? Was heaven the nickname for the seclusion room? I must confess this episode is hard for me to watch. I think VDO was brillant in it, but knowing how many laws those guards and warden broke and how Bobby suffered is just too much for me to watch. Working in psychiatry as I do this episode just hits too close to home for me.
Post by outerbankschick on May 18, 2010 17:21:55 GMT -5
Yes - the room where they held the inmates in chains and restraints. Those scenes are very hard to watch. Lowery makes me cry right in the beginning, the way he's screaming and carrying on, and calling out "I want my Mommy!". And by the time Bobby is in there, on the edge of breaking, I'm a mess.
But then watching with no sound - WHOA! That's like a punch right in the gut.
Post by outerbankschick on May 21, 2010 21:57:18 GMT -5
I forgot to mention this in my earlier post - but I was reading over this thread recently and was reminded of all of the speculation about those "voices" in the ending scene where Bobby is standing in the middle of Time Square. And I can report, after listening quite a few times to this episode on my iPod, that it's just the background noise of the street amplified in a way that makes Bobby seem very alone in that crowded, busy intersection of New York.