This is my take. I never believed Goren when he told Eames that he was protecting her by not telling her about the undercover assignment. He was told by Ross and by the Chief of D's not to tell anyone, and I mean anyone, about his undercover assignment. So Goren followed those orders to the letter, because he was afraid that if it came out that he told Eames, he wouldn't get re-instated.
Eames knows this - but she is hurt & upset that Goren didn't trust her enough. In her mind, he didn't believe that he could trust her not tell anyone that she knew about the assignment. He didn't trust her to keep his secret.
Post by maherjunkie on Sept 4, 2009 14:14:14 GMT -5
Of course he trusted her, I think, but the more a person knows about a cop in that situation the more in danger they are. Certainly she knows that. Sorry to sound so hammer and sickle but this ep just ticks me off for that reason. I don't understand what is so terrible about wanting your job back, especially if you catch a bad guy to get it.
Post by outerbankschick on Sept 4, 2009 19:19:21 GMT -5
I tend to think that Bobby's reasons for keeping his undercover work from Alex was two-fold.
1: Piggy-backing what Angua stated, she already has a black mark on her record because of helping him with the Tates thing. Plus, she has an "invisible" notation in her file because of him. (Remember their exchange in "Smile"?) He was trying to "protect" her from the brass.
2: He was absolutely trying to protect himself. He was already walking a tightrope over the abyss of losing everything. No way was he going to rock the boat by letting on to Alex what he was doing after he'd been told to keep it quiet. He isn't so cocky lately, not so willing to go against the grain. The Chief succeeded in doing what nothing else (not even his mother's death) had done. He broke his spirit. Bobby was circling the bowl, desperately trying to grab onto something to save himself from drowning. The Chief kept him on suspension for much longer than necessary and for the sole purpose of "sticking" it to him. It's like locking a child in a closet until they promise to behave. At some point, they will do anything to get out of the dark.
3: The only way two people can keep a secret is if one of them is dead. (Okay, maybe that's a lame cliche! LOL!) Doesn't mean that Alex would purposely say anything, but what if something slipped out by mistake? Something she "knew" but wasn't supposed to know? Bobby wasn't about to take that chance either. Then that would put both of them in the fire.
Wow outerbankschick, from my point of view, you are spot on with your summary. I do get Eames has a right to be upset at first - she was badly frightened by almost killing Bobby, or seeing another officer take him down. So she was angry. OK, so then, being the extremely professional detective she is, she gets over it after a short while. But what about those who actually put Bobby in that situation? It really chips me off that nothing is mentioned about her captain knowing exactly what was going down as she burst into that room, and never warned her?!?!!! No, Bobby takes all the blame. Just as a side note, anyone who knows a real NYPD Det. will tell you: the less people that know of a dangerous undercover assignment, the better. It is absolutely not unheard of a cop NOT telling his wife/partner if she/he is asked to do undercover for special task. They might say "doing something, can't talk about it. Be away for a few days." If it's long term, that's different with spouse (although they're probably not in long term relationship if that's what they do). OK, so it's not real life, just a TV show. Which I guess is why Elliott Stabler is still on the force! ;D
"The only way two people can keep a secret is if one of them is dead. (Okay, maybe that's a lame cliche! LOL!) Doesn't mean that Alex would purposely say anything, but what if something slipped out by mistake? Something she "knew" but wasn't supposed to know? Bobby wasn't about to take that chance either. Then that would put both of them in the fire."
That's what I meant in my post. You said it better, Barbie.
I'd point out that Ross and Eames' relationship has not been good since Bobby returned from the undercover work. (Not that it was ever terrific.) I think Ross has stopped trying to nudge Alex away from Bobby (as he seemed to in SILENCER). And I suspect one reason Ross didn't take Alex off the case in LADY'S MAN is that he realizes he's treated her and Bobby badly. But then, I think Ross' attitude has changed considerably. The crucial point is when he meets with Bobby in the psychologist's office, and Bobby reveals his fears considering the Chief of Detectives. When Ross said, "The thought had crossed my mind," is the point where I believe he moved from being part of the Chief of D's circle and to being on the side of his detectives.
I understand both Alex and Bobby's motivations and actions in PURGATORY. Now, understanding doesn't mean I think one or both is right.
Post by hargiteam42 on Sept 7, 2009 2:11:06 GMT -5
I agree with several people. I understand why Bobby didn't tell her and I understand why Alex was upset. I tend to side a little more with Eames on this case. It's a professional courtesy, at least. I mean, put yourself in her position. Can you imagine the agony she would have been in if she' actually shot/killed a man she's known and trusted for the past 7, almost 8 years. Coming from a strictly platonic standpoint, Bobby has become more than her best friend. You're with a person for over 8 hours a day in that profession, your partner becomes an extension of you. Killing or injuring that is like doing it to yourself.
However, most of the blame could be laid at Ross' and the Chief of D's feet. I've never been particularly fond of the CoD's, and this really put the cherry on the sundae. And Ross is was very wrong in not informing his detective about her partner.
I think Eames did not explode with anger because he didn't tell her, but because she was scared to death. Her husband was killed undercover. Now at first she may have been upset because he didn't tell her, hence the "blow-up", but then she realizes police procedure. When they're fighting in interrogation it's just words, they don't really mean it. Another reason why they can "make up" later on.
Bobby was told not to tell anyone. This is standard procedure for undercover work, but he also followed that rule not to tick off the brass for good.
Btw. - I never get how she couldn't know. They wired Santana, and they were listening. Bobby said something in the scene - she should've known before entering the room...