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Post by quietfireca on Jun 23, 2008 23:15:50 GMT -5
I don't know if anybody noticed this or not: in the scene where Eames gets the missing persons report from Pink Blouse, she gives Goren this little tap on the shoulder before she shows him. Nice, subtle gesture that shows the partnership getting back into sync. I hope that makes some of us feel a little better I liked this more after yet another viewing. Oh, ya. Very unusual gesture. I just wrote someone about that - and he started to lean towards her. Her cold shoulder is starting to warm up. The poor guy is grateful for anything right now! I think we're all hypersensitive to the thaw.
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susan1212
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Yeah. I get that.
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Post by susan1212 on Jun 24, 2008 5:26:27 GMT -5
Taking a cue from quietfireca, "gotta love" a group of people who are so focused, insightful and expressive. You ladies are so interesting to read! Your comments are "hypersensitive" to our beloved charachters, and very well written. Thanks.
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Ladyheather
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An acquired taste.....
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Post by Ladyheather on Jun 24, 2008 6:07:06 GMT -5
I am sure the writers will keep a bit of tension between Eames and Goren. The partners had to make sure things were right between the two of them before. However, I don't think it will again be the focus so much in a story.
My guess, is that the rat story line will be a constant theme in some way for the rest of the season.
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Post by Summerfield on Jun 24, 2008 9:28:43 GMT -5
Did they really find Avery's body? Will they be able to take this to trial without the bodies (The Good Doctor)? Or will they be satisfied with charging Kathy for the murder of her second husband and cut her a deal in exchange for information on where the bodies are?
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Post by Patcat on Jun 24, 2008 10:32:46 GMT -5
I have to confess that with all my concentration on the dynamics among Kathy, Ross, Eames and Goren, I lost some threads of the plot line, including how Kathy killed Avery and Kathy's husband.
I wonder if some of Ross' anger at Kathy wasn't because she betrayed him, but because she betrayed other confidences she had in the NYPD? And if Ross told Goren, "Not now, Detective" at the end because Ross knew he (Ross) couldn't control his anger and feared he might lash out at Goren?
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Post by quietfireca on Jun 24, 2008 10:51:36 GMT -5
Rather than think about work, I took a mental health break and began pondering Ross (to give Goren a break).
Kathy sure had a lot of power over him. Do you think he's been holding a torch for her for 20 years? (I have Goren's words from another episode ringing in my ears. "I hope you got over that".) I guess stranger things have happened. You would think he’d have come to terms with her “rejection” (her words – I’m betting, in light of her personality that it was a lot more complicated than that) and be a lot less awkward around her. Aside: Oh, gee, that must be some kind of power to have over a guy. Not in this lifetime, for me!
Ross let himself be used by Kathy. (Goren must have been busting a gut keeping that insight bottled up and not throwing it in his face in his old style.) It's interesting that Ross would have given the case to Goren and Eames - maybe he knew they were the only ones with no lives outside of work (or in Eames case, a life that could be interrupted). Or maybe he thought it was a no-brainer case allowing them a chance to get back in sync.
I’m sure given the outcome, Ross might have liked anyone *but* Goren on the case. I wonder if he didn’t want to hear anything from Goren at the end because he thought Goren would be rubbing it in, when in fact, from his facial expression, Goren looked like he wished he could say something comforting. Just as well Goren didn’t get the chance. In his current state, he would have fumbled it!
And bringing back what Susan1212 said (If it were me, I might've wanted to say rather cattily "Captain Ross, you are too close to this case. Do we really need to change the rules of investigation to suit you and your ex-girlfriend? If you think we do, maybe you need some psychiatric help."), the Captain started setting up what could be perceived as a double standard. He was willing to dump department resources into this case, but not into helping Goren with this nephew. (I’m sure there are lots of arguments to the contrary about this not being a double standard! But I’m not past taking shots at Ross.)
Backtrack: And yes, thanks Deathroe, it was the missing persons report Eames got when they were perched on the desk, not the fingerprint info.
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Post by DonnaJo on Jun 24, 2008 11:11:31 GMT -5
Excellent, interesting post, QF! I must say, I love your "gotta loves." I think Goren’s attire reflected the “out of the groove” feeling. He’s been dressing like that for months while suspended and it’s a habit that’s hard to change, plus the fact that they came in late in the evening for their first scene. He probably can’t afford the drycleaning bill for all those very fine suits! Gotta love a man in a suit. Some theories about the casual clothes being worn for the entire investigation. One is that Goren has gained weight while on suspension and his suits don't fit well. Also, the suit look doesn't go with the choice to have the beard. Why (& how) he grew that beard so quickly is still one of the "mysteries" of CI. WORD quietfireca. This is a profound idea. I couldn't put my finger on why he seemed so out of it in the beginning. Very nicely played, indeed. Well, there's nothing quite like learning things the hard way, is there? Even though the suspension was harsh, Goren knows now that he has to keep his emotions in check. And he displayed that when dealing with Ross. I'm all for the Goren family drama being on that back burner indefinitely, or at least holding off until next season. Let Goren & Eames (and Ross & Rodgers) work out their problems with each other for awhile.
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Post by Patcat on Jun 24, 2008 11:49:35 GMT -5
I think Kathy has more than just a past romantic connection with Ross. She's an ex-cop, and I think we're meant to assume she's ex-NYPD. I think she has ties with some of the Brass in the Department, and possibly within the City and State governments. Ross feels the need to handle her with kid gloves not only because he's inclined to because of their past relationship, but because of her relationships with others.
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Post by quietfireca on Jun 24, 2008 12:06:26 GMT -5
Also, the suit look doesn't go with the choice to have the beard. Why (& how) he grew that beard so quickly is still one of the "mysteries" of CI. I think I'd take a cop more seriously if he showed up in a suit than casual. There's the quiet formality of a suit that might be more powerful than even a uniform. I agree that the suit and beard probably don't work together. As for the quick beard. We should run screaming from a man with that much testosterone!
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Post by diablodeblanco on Jun 24, 2008 12:27:58 GMT -5
I think Kathy has more than just a past romantic connection with Ross. She's an ex-cop, and I think we're meant to assume she's ex-NYPD. I think she has ties with some of the Brass in the Department, and possibly within the City and State governments. Ross feels the need to handle her with kid gloves not only because he's inclined to because of their past relationship, but because of her relationships with others. Patcat In the beginning at the dinner where it is announced that Kathy donated $2 million to some police agency, it looked like there were many higher ups and politicos attending. That would give Kathy some "juice" if she needed a wee favor from them. And from what I saw of her in the episode she most certainly would have taken advantage of it.
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Post by diablodeblanco on Jun 24, 2008 12:36:48 GMT -5
Also, the suit look doesn't go with the choice to have the beard. Why (& how) he grew that beard so quickly is still one of the "mysteries" of CI. I think I'd take a cop more seriously if he showed up in a suit than casual. There's the quiet formality of a suit that might be more powerful than even a uniform. I agree that the suit and beard probably don't work together. As for the quick beard. We should run screaming from a man with that much testosterone! I agree, the suit gives a much more professional look to him and adds to the air of authority. And.......a beard and suit just don't fit. If his suits no longer fit it would be better to go casual until he can get back into them. Nothing NOTHING looks worse than a large man in an ill fitting suit......except perhaps a large woman poured into a dress 3 sizes too small.
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Post by diablodeblanco on Jun 24, 2008 12:41:07 GMT -5
I have to confess that with all my concentration on the dynamics among Kathy, Ross, Eames and Goren, I lost some threads of the plot line, including how Kathy killed Avery and Kathy's husband. Patcat I didn't catch that either, Patcat. Perhaps it was never explained.
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Post by diablodeblanco on Jun 24, 2008 12:47:33 GMT -5
My guess, is that the rat story line will be a constant theme in some way for the rest of the season. I would rather see the rat story line than rehashing the dysfunctional family mess. Although at some point in the future I'd like to know if Brady is Goren's real father.
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Post by DonnaJo on Jun 24, 2008 13:32:31 GMT -5
I mentioned this elsewhere, that I found the scene with Kathy in the nursery confusing. Since she never went through with the in vitro fertilization (Woody was dead by her hands) why was she in there humming to herself, stroking that stuffed animal, hanging up the Mommy & Daddy photo? Doesn't make sense.
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Post by quietfireca on Jun 24, 2008 13:53:06 GMT -5
I mentioned this elsewhere, that I found the scene with Kathy in the nursery confusing. Since she never went through with the in vitro fertilization (Woody was dead by her hands) why was she in there humming to herself, stroking that stuffed animal, hanging up the Mommy & Daddy photo? Doesn't make sense. Oh, but *did* she *not* go through with the in vitro? I'm thinkin' she did, thus the nursery scene. (of course we don't know the details of the "donation", so maybe he didn't have to be there.) If she wanted a baby desperately enough, she wouldn't care if the Dad was around. She thought she could manipulate everything to work for her.
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