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Post by deathroe on Jun 28, 2008 16:00:18 GMT -5
He's been giving her this kind of anxious look for a while now, at least since TWAH. I can't pinpoint when it started, but there's the one when she starts talking about people she breaks up with in "Rocket Man" and, of course, the exchange in "Albatross." They're definitely there. This is why I say that Erbe and D'Onofrio are guiltier than most of letting us think there's a romantic angle of some sort (take that, again, fwiw). As to what it means, well, I think that's up to the viewer. But I think one way or the other (as partner or friend) Goren is afraid of losing Eames. Even if only at times.
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Post by quietfireca on Jun 29, 2008 15:19:40 GMT -5
Very interesting analysis of Erbe/D'Onofrio intentions. They sure keeps us guessing and it leaves things open to interpretation.
All I can say is - Keep it up!!! so that we can keep wearing out our recording devices watching for the infinitesimal flickers of emotion that they're both so good at!
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Post by ragincajun on Jul 5, 2008 21:24:24 GMT -5
Did anyone notice in the first scene with Goren and Eames another younger Bald guy is sitting in Riche's desk. I thought maybe they had replaced him, but then later, Riche showed up. Wonder if Riche wasn't available for the scene and they thought we wouldn't notice? lol.
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Post by DonnaJo on Jul 6, 2008 7:45:35 GMT -5
Great observation, ragin. ;D I didn't catch it until I read your post. That isn't Richie's desk, I think it's Jeffreys. Hmmmm.... Hey!! How about this? Richie's son follows in Dad's footprints & joins MC?
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Post by ragincajun on Jul 6, 2008 10:05:28 GMT -5
Riche sits on the same side as Goren, and Jefferies sits on the same side as Logan. When I spotted this guy he was on Goren's side. It seems, I am always watching Riche lately. lol.
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Post by Techguy on Jul 12, 2008 22:15:46 GMT -5
I can't add much more to what others have already said. Kudos to Outerbankschick for the observation about the 3 protagonists and their blind spots.
I pegged Kathy as the killer very early on too. I agree Roy was too obvious but thoroughly enjoyed the performance by Eric Roberts as Roy in this one.
I also continue to be confused about the nursery scene and its importance or relevance to the story. Since Tommy and Avery were already dead, I don't get why Kathy is going ahead with her plans for a nursery for a baby, with photos of her and Tommy as Mommy & Daddy no less. I suppose the artificial insemination and fertility clinic angle could make a difference, but with cheating Tommy out of the way why would Kathy put up a photo reminder of her attempt--and possible success?--to have a child?
I'm also very confused about how, when, and where Kathy killed Tommy and Avery and disposed of their bodies. The reference to the plastic tarp didn't help, and the comment by Ross that Kathy would have had to cut open the stomach of her victims to be sure they sank didn't shed any light on the matter either. Did Kathy kill Tommy and Avery in the van with plastic on the floor to catch the blood, then drive all the way out to the beach with the bodies and slit them open before kicking them in the ocean? I apologize for being so graphic, but the MO of Kathy's double murder is still a bit puzzling.
And I second Deathroe's comment about the "judge ex machina" which is way too convenient a solution to the dilemma of how to nail Kathy for SOMETHING because Tommy's and Avery's bodies won't ever be found.
I enjoyed ME Rodgers in this episode and her reactions to how Ross was relating to Kathy. Unfortunately, I have a hard time understanding exactly what, if anything, was going on or had gone on in the past between Ross and Kathy. I also have a difficult time accepting the extent of his blind spot regarding Kathy, and feel his behavior is inconsistent with what I have come to know about Ross. I recall how Capt. Deakins pressed his friend Frank Adair for clarification and answers even as he was being betrayed, but here Ross seems way too accepting of Kathy's web-spinning and comes across as trying to steer Goren and Eames in the direction Kathy dictates. By the time Ross tells Kathy to "Go to hell" it's almost as if he finally awoke from a dream state and realized he had been taken. In my opinion, the GTH comment would have been more appropriate from Deakins towards Adair than in the context here.
Rodgers and Roy were the best parts of "Betrayed" for me. But there are too many plot holes, inconsistencies, and unanswered questions in this G/E episode for my taste and as such, I didn't like it as much as "Purgatory."
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Post by deathroe on Jul 12, 2008 23:09:29 GMT -5
And I'm sure the writers were, too.
I agree with you about Ross, Techguy.
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Post by dragonsback on Jul 12, 2008 23:18:19 GMT -5
Whatever else people may think about this episode, however it is dissected, the appallingly weak villainess and the head-shaking absurdity of the coroner's truck has to trump all forgiving moments.
This one doesn't merit a smidge of ponderous analysis of motive, plot, character development. It failed on most counts. IMO
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Post by Patcat on Jul 14, 2008 3:29:21 GMT -5
This is another case where I cared less about the plot than I did about the interaction among Goren, Eames, and Ross.
Patcat
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Post by diablodeblanco on Jul 14, 2008 9:06:09 GMT -5
PATCAT: You hit the bullseye. I didn't realize it until I read your post that I WAS focused on Goren/Eames interaction and the plot was secondary to me.
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Post by quietfireca on Jul 14, 2008 10:45:57 GMT -5
I don't think we should be too surprised at that considering the wringer we all went through in Purgatory!
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Post by DNA on Jul 14, 2008 11:16:41 GMT -5
I'm not usually a continuity error geek but: Goren's magical shirt collar in the last scene drove me insane, I was so distracted with it being tucked under his jacket one shot and out the next... I had to watch it again to concentrate on the dialog.
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Post by diablodeblanco on Jul 14, 2008 12:34:29 GMT -5
LOL spoken like a true die hard fan.
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Post by outerbankschick on Jul 14, 2008 16:08:32 GMT -5
I hate it when I catch those little editing snafus! I get caught up in them sometimes, too, though I missed the collar thing. LOL!
In "ITWSH", during the scene in the judge's office, while ol' Hot Tub Harry is giving Carver the lowdown on Bobby's family, they cut to a shot of Bobby's face and he's looking down, sort of toward the floor, but in the very next instant, he's looking at the judge. You can tell there are two different takes spliced together there. And in "Death Roe", when Bobby is behind Beatrice, the camera is focused on her, but he's the one speaking in the scene. So if you watch his lips, you can see the sound goof. What he's saying doesn't line up, timing wise, with how his lips move. Distacts me everytime I watch it.
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Post by susan1212 on Jul 14, 2008 20:33:23 GMT -5
Word, Patcat, diablo, & quietfireca!
I thought the scene where he says "You're exactly right..." was perfect. He was pathetically trying to let her know that he got her message loud and clear, and even though he doesn't think of her as his water carrier, he understands how she feels and is willing to change by being more vocal about how he really feels. And her reaction was great...confused at first, then realizing he is trying. And let's face it, for a man whose not socially adept to try to show his partner he does respect her and being so pitiful at it, ...well it was endearing to say the least.
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