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Post by deathroe on Jul 6, 2008 20:59:03 GMT -5
Goren as Mr. Rogers ...
ETA: Complete episode title - "Please Note We are No Longer Accepting Letters of Recommendation from Henry Kissinger"
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eames47
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"What are they saying now???"
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Post by eames47 on Jul 6, 2008 21:04:35 GMT -5
"I'll make sure you're his type"
"Are you Bigfoot?"
Oh my God, I have to go to sleep but I'm wired! How freaking funny! Although it was odd to see Eames drink her coffee outside as she is shivering. In July. But oh well. Will write more tomorrow.
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Post by deathroe on Jul 6, 2008 21:08:29 GMT -5
That part was funny, but the end was weak.
IMHO.
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misty98
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Post by misty98 on Jul 6, 2008 21:15:03 GMT -5
You know, I liked this episode, but I really couldn't tell you why...
Maybe I liked it more for what wasn't in it, than for what was in it. For example, there was no overt signs of any angst between Goren and Eames. In fact, they seemed to be more like the Goren and Eames of the good ol' days, especially during their little "sting." Loved Eames' line--something like, "I'll make sure you sound like his type." (LOL)
What I didn't like? There was no challenge in solving this one. How many of us had the "trailer park trash" wife pegged as the killer early on?
Another thing I didn't like was the whole scenario of Marla holding Goren at gunpoint. That's been done to death, if you'll pardon the pun--at least the third time, if I recall correctly.
Again, I was glad to see Goren and Eames working in sync. I thought they worked well together, and with Ross. Hopefully, we'll see more of the same in the remaining episodes for this season.
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Post by Patcat on Jul 6, 2008 21:15:57 GMT -5
I'd say Bobby was back, but it's pretty obvious that this story had to take place before the whole Tates episode. (g)
As much as I wanted Eleanor to be the killer (and I fear for poor little Henry and his father in her clutches), I sensed who the killer was pretty early. (If Goren and Eames are still at Major Case in 15 or so years, I wonder if they'll be investigating Hank's murder of Eleanor.) I think we learn from this episode that one should never live with the in-laws.
I liked this episode. Not especially splashy, but one of those solid by the numbers cases Goren and Eames haven't had for a while.
Goren's dismissal of Skips' co-worker. "You...can...go...now." Wave of hand.
And Goren's role as bait for Skips' male quickee and Eames' comment. "I'll make sure you're his type."
"Bigfoot." (g)
I felt Goren was in control throughout that final confrontation with Marla, and I really liked the way he and Eames interacted. And in the early part of the show Central Park seemed almost another character.
Patcat
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misty98
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Post by misty98 on Jul 6, 2008 21:16:07 GMT -5
P.S. to Deathroe: It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...
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Post by deathroe on Jul 6, 2008 21:26:07 GMT -5
misty98. I agree that it was likeable--it was very old school, and it did keep me guessing for a little (to be precise, until 9:36). I just thought the end could have been better written. All that I'm special--you were supposed to be my friend. Would also have liked to see a bit more G/E interaction at the end. I'm not sure what "I'm from Kentucky!" was supposed to prove either *coughcoughcough*
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Post by outerbankschick on Jul 6, 2008 21:48:44 GMT -5
misty98. I agree that it was likeable--it was very old school, and it did keep me guessing for a little (to be precise, until 9:36). I just thought the end could have been better written. All that I'm special--you were supposed to be my friend. Would also have liked to see a bit more G/E interaction at the end. I'm not sure what "I'm from Kentucky!" was supposed to prove either *coughcoughcough* For one thing, Marla hardly sounded like she was from Kentucky. Or else I'm so used to hearing southern accents that I missed it. But I don't think so. Anyway, I have to say the ending surprised me. And I like it. Bobby: "They had kids, too." Oh my! The controlled anger in that one sentence! Whew! I really thought for a moment he was going to actually put his arm around Marla. And then he grabbed her and shoved her against the wall and shouted "Clear!" and I was completely surprised by that. He looked so convincingly sympathetic and I really didn't see that anger until he grabbed her and whipped her around. I do always wonder though, why is it they always try so hard to keep the perps from shooting themselves? It seemed to me that Bobby really meant what he said to her, about her son needing her. He looked truly upset when he thought she was going to shoot herself. It was that genuine upset that had me doubly surprised when he jerked her around and pushed her to the wall like that. It was like two separate people there for a minute. Wild! Anyway, I'm sure I'll be able to come up with more later. I really should be going to bed. I have a root canal tomorrow and I'll be on drugs for most of the afternoon, so I'll look forward to coming back in on Tuesday and reading other's comments.
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Post by outerbankschick on Jul 6, 2008 21:49:25 GMT -5
"I'll make sure you're his type" "Are you Bigfoot?" Oh my God, I have to go to sleep but I'm wired! How freaking funny! Although it was odd to see Eames drink her coffee outside as she is shivering. In July. But oh well. Will write more tomorrow. That whole scene had me cracking up! Bigfoot! I love it! ;D
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Post by ragincajun on Jul 6, 2008 21:56:29 GMT -5
Can't say anymore that hasn't been said, except Ross' line, About his grandkids won't be getting in.
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Post by Patcat on Jul 6, 2008 22:19:29 GMT -5
I was afraid Goren might make some reference to the loss of his own mother and childhood to Marla, and I'm glad the script didn't go that route.
I caught a touch of an accent in Marla's speech, although it was more Southern than Kentucky. Southern Hoosier is very close to a Kentucky accent--I've been known to serve as a translator.(g)
Patcat
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Post by outerbankschick on Jul 6, 2008 22:26:55 GMT -5
I was afraid Goren might make some reference to the loss of his own mother and childhood to Marla, and I'm glad the script didn't go that route. I caught a touch of an accent in Marla's speech, although it was more Southern than Kentucky. Southern Hoosier is very close to a Kentucky accent--I've been known to serve as a translator.(g) Patcat I guess I expected her to sound a little, I don't know, twangy I guess. But then, I've never been to Kentucky. I lived in Tennessee as a kid and the accents there carry a definite twang, at least where I lived, which was on the western side, about 45 minutes from Nashville. Bobby seemed a little more himself during the scenes where they interrogated the MIL, too. Noticing those little things about her the way he did, then finally asking her if she needed the ladies' room. I liked that he simply said she would not have been able to be very far from her own bathroom and then left it to us to understand why. It was quite obvious how snobbish she was and the Purell she was cleaning her hands with was a nice touch. And way to go Alex with the "I'll make sure you're his type." comment. Oh, the look on Bobby's face! Priceless! And now, bed. Really! ;D
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Post by outerbankschick on Jul 6, 2008 22:32:06 GMT -5
I was afraid Goren might make some reference to the loss of his own mother and childhood to Marla, and I'm glad the script didn't go that route. Patcat Oh geez, one more before bed! The look on his face and the plea in his tone said it all, Patcat. He didn't need to tell her that he had lost his mother. WE all know that and he knows we know. That was a beautiful scene, from the standpoint of emotion, and it was that intense emotion that had me thinking he was going to hug Marla instead of pushing her into the wall. As always, bravo to VDO for the ability to make me feel his pain. And I liked the way Alex was so in tune with him here, though it is a bit out of place, I suppose, given what happened in "Purgatory" and the general "out of sync-ness" in "Betrayed". But it was really nice to see them communicating again with just a look. KE and VDO have this down so well, it must be second nature to them by now.
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Post by deathroe on Jul 6, 2008 22:42:57 GMT -5
Yes. KY is another thing; the accents are frequently more "country" than what one might think of as "Southern."
Depending on where you get to, especially smaller places, you will hear a wide variety of accents (seriously,Kentucky's like Italy or something in terms of there being regional variety in a small space). Bigger cities (like esp. Louisville) someone might talk more like Marla. Places like EKY and CKY/SCKY close to TN are VERY twangy, with some more Appalachian than Southern expressions and characteristics, and again, a great variety from county to county. Don't mind me--this Canuck moved to Kentucky and got a little fixated. I can now generally peg my students' accents by county (well, this county and the adjoining ones, and there are other things about them that help me to guess).
At any rate. If Marla is supposed to be from the "trailer park," her accent should sound less urban. Otoh sometimes Southerners will tell you that they lost their accent to obtain respect in another part of the country, which I think is a pity.
About saving Marla from shooting herself: on SVU last season, they had this kid shoot herself in front of Olivia. I'm really glad they didn't go that route, because I found that scene REALLY frightening. I loved the scene with Eames and the children, but I seriously did not feel that the aria was worth the buildup. It had a tacked-on, SVU twist feel to it ... which felt doubly puzzling after the old-school CI setup. I agree about "They had kids, too" though--even though it felt almost thrown away.
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Post by annabelleleigh on Jul 6, 2008 23:51:32 GMT -5
misty98. I agree that it was likable--it was very old school, and it did keep me guessing for a little (to be precise, until 9:36). I just thought the end could have been better written... You've hit the nail precisely on the head, D-Roe. There was nothing objectionable about this episode. It was Detective Goren, circa "Siren Call" or thereabouts, technically well-written by Marygrace O'Shea -- but oh-so-formulaic, right down to the red herring and the "twist" ending. I lived in NYC for many years so I understand that upper-class New Yorkers are obsessed with getting their children into the "right" pre-schools -- so much so that we've seen a variation on this theme across all of the L&O shows, including at least one past CI episode. Enough already with that. Dear CI writers, I don't care. I'll even venture to say that most of us (non-Manhattanites) can't relate and/or are bored silly with the subject. You have the extraordinary opportunity to grab the attention of millions of people for 43 minutes over many weeks, and this is how you use it? Mr. Leight and company: In this episode you display a lack of originality and passion for your gig. You are going through the motions, churning out scripts for the paychecks they bring. Time not only to change the showrunner (and I wish WL all the best at HBO) but also to bring in some new scribes. I truly appreciate your many fine contributions, but -- dear writers -- you have run out of stories to tell. Fresh insight and new approaches to the concept of "criminal intent" are also sorely needed. My comrade D-Roe, do you agree? Do others? AL
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