rune
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Post by rune on Oct 12, 2004 16:36:51 GMT -5
I'm wondering whether the diffferences in appearance would be so jarring if these episodes were being shown in the order in which they were shot. Because the promos look like we go back to shorter hair for next week.
A gradual increase in hair length wouldn't be quite so odd (in the DVD commentary for Steal This Movie he tells Janeane Garofolo that he likes his hair longer, but is always having to cut it for work -- granted that was a while back). VDO's level of gray went up and down a few times over the course of last season, so who knows if he's just getting grayer or if there's coloring involved.
As far as the stubble: I'm not sure why it's caused such a "furor" this time, he's always switched between smooth-shaven and stubbly from scene to scene and the stubble in Semi-Detached wasn't any more extreme than it's been in other seasons/episodes.
Just on a general upkeep/maintence note: VDO's hair is much like my Dad's, curly and dark. Using that as a reference, staying clean-shaven would require shaving about every 6-7 hours (or less). No, I'm not kidding. Maybe there's just not time in the shooting schedule?
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Post by janetcatbird on Oct 12, 2004 19:49:58 GMT -5
Personal opinion: though "Want" hairstyle was longer than we're used to, I noticed but didn't mind too much. Much longer than that and I'd be annoyed. Grey doesn't bother me.
Face stubble is annoying, as unprofessional, but if it's just hormones I understand. My Dad has worked with guys who would come in clean-shaven and have a semi-beard by 3:30, just the way their metabolism (or whatever it is) worked. So if that's the case I can sympathize, but I don't much care for the look.
Observer, I may not have experienced first-hand a family member with drug problems, but I know people who have. I'm sure that was rough, glad to know that you yourself are OK.
On second thought, is this whole discussion of hairstyle getting way superficial? Although I suppose our constantly touching base with character standards could be used as justification. In the interviews D'Onofrio seems to not care terribly much about Goren, I mean, he always says soon as his contract's up he's gone, he has to try not to get bored, etc. I doubt he'd have any qualms about letting Goren go for the sake of another role he found more interesting.
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Post by Observer2 on Oct 13, 2004 7:36:55 GMT -5
Jacquetta, Observer:
My apologies. I didn't mean to interrupt the serious and very interesting discussion you were having. I cut and pasted the above comment from a post I wrote on the Want episode because appearance-related comments there were directed here. Only later after I read the thread entirely, did I realize how abrupt my comments sounded. Sirenna, please don’t be concerned – no apologies needed, as far as I’m concerned. It didn’t strike me as odd at all – just the normal ebb and flow of a couple of different lines of discussion going on in one thread – something that happens all the time. I appreciate your thoughtfulness, but I really don’t think you were out of line at all.
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Post by Observer2 on Oct 13, 2004 8:02:01 GMT -5
Well, her addiction was extensive enough that there was always pilfering and petty theft around her but I don't know the exact nature of how much she used. She couldn't hold a job but she did manage to get re-employed frequently enough. My guess is that she didn't smoke or mainline it but even so, I'd never met anyone who used the stuff that frequently that was so overweight. jaquetta, Thanks for the details. The pattern you described doesn’t *always* mean a major drug habit… but drugs are certainly the *first* thing I’d think of, with that pattern. And while it might just have been pills, it sounds intense enough that I have to consider the possibility that it was crystal meth. So the effects may not be as absolute as I’ve always thought. I’m not sure what I think about Pooh Bear now, as far as the weight goes. But whatever I think, intellectually, about it, the fact is that when I watch the movie I can’t help but believe the character. The weight doesn’t make sense, but the character doesn’t give me much time to think about that!
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Post by Observer2 on Oct 13, 2004 8:19:54 GMT -5
Observer, I may not have experienced first-hand a family member with drug problems, but I know people who have. I'm sure that was rough, glad to know that you yourself are OK. Thanks, Janetcatbird, I really appreciate that. Strange to say, but I owe a great debt to that brother. He was 4 years older than I was, and he started with beer and pot when he was 12. By the time I was old enough to have access to drugs and alcohol, I’d already watched him using for years. I knew the hook – the way they could seem to ease the pain for a while – and I knew the results. I never touched drugs, and I wouldn’t even drink wine until I had been away from that house for years. If I hadn’t seen what it did to him, I doubt I could have resisted. In a backwards kind of way, he probably saved my life.
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Post by Patcat on Nov 5, 2004 12:22:05 GMT -5
For anyone who would like to see one of Welles' best works, THE LADY FROM SHANGHAI will be on Turner Classic Movies this Saturday (November 6) at 8 am. It's also a classic of film noir.
My view of Welles has always been influenced by a documentary I saw about 20 years ago. He was funny, rueful, but not whining. Welles said his greatest mistake was that he made his masterpiece first. If he had made LADY FROM SHANGHAI, his other films, and then CITIZEN KANE, his career would be considered a great success. But, since he started off with a masterpiece, his career was considered as never reaching its potential.
I also recall an interview where Welles said his relationship with Rita Hayworth was a mistake since he had no idea she had as many problems as she did.
Pat
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Post by velocity on Nov 5, 2004 15:38:15 GMT -5
If I am not mistaken, the short on Welles Mr. D'O made was around the time of The Third Man. This would have put Orsen into Vincent's present age category. I recently say the Third Man again on TMC and enjoyed it. I took special note of OW's general appearance. He was pretty thin knowing his eating history. His weight was about the same as V's in Want, very close anyway. The hair length was exact. I can hardly wait for this short, I bet V did some job since he already bears physical similarities. It would be fascinating to know how he managed the voice. Orsen had a deep base voice. Vincent on the other hand is more soft baritone.
Why he chose to keep the hair might be many things, like post production re-takes, he likes it longer, or simply to shake up his devoted viewers and causing all kinds of chitchat about, I like it, I love it, I hate it, it's unprofessional, etc. If it is the latter, we must be giving him a chuckle, because every fan board fell for it.
I think it is really funny that a man's hair length caused some dialogue. I fell into it also, hook, line, and Italian curls. If he played us, I mean all female fans, it worked. We are paying attention, it just may be that simple.
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Post by janetcatbird on Nov 5, 2004 16:03:13 GMT -5
You gotta love Orson Welles' response to the colorization of "Citizen Kane": "Keep Ted Turner and his Goddamned Crayolas away from my movie!" (Sorry, I just love the quote.)
Have not seen "Ed Wood", one of these days I ought to. If anything just to hear Maurice La Marche do the voice of Orson Welles, having grown up on "PInky and the Brain" I have a soft spot for him. Besides, even without D'Onofrio I've heard it's an interesting movie.
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Post by trisha on Nov 5, 2004 21:16:52 GMT -5
Or, Goren was trying out a new look, and had a subsequent side bet with Eames about it ;D
(just a little "Hair" shout-out)
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Post by Patcat on Nov 6, 2004 6:38:17 GMT -5
Well, I have to apologize--TCM is NOT showing LADY FROM SHANGHAI this morning, although it is showing it sometime soon. My profuse apologies to anyone who dragged themselves awake to see it.
Patcat
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Post by Techguy on Nov 6, 2004 15:00:02 GMT -5
Patcat, you were only off by one week.
According to TCM's monthly schedule, "Lady From Shanghai" will air next Saturday November 13 at 8:00AM Eastern.
TCM is more consistent with its scheduling than NBC has ever been with CI episodes.
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Post by Patcat on Mar 10, 2005 11:58:23 GMT -5
LADY FROM SHANGHAI is scheduled to be on Turner Classic Movies again this weekend, on Sunday, March 13 at 7pm (EST), right before the new episode of LOCI. And this may be part of TCM's classic series hosted by Peter Bogdanavich.
It's one of my favorite movies, and the TCM website has some great stories about its making.
Patcat
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Post by Patcat on Apr 27, 2005 10:16:59 GMT -5
Turner Classic Movies will highlight Orson Welles' career Wednesdays in May. Details are available on the TCM website. This looks like a great opportunity to fill in some gaps of my knowledge about Mr. Welles.
Patcat
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Post by psychochik on Feb 13, 2006 18:29:20 GMT -5
I am digging up this old thread for the hell of it cuz I just bought my tickets for the San Jose Film Festival viewing of "Five Minutes Mr. Welles" and am quite excited, I love going to movie festivals and getting to see something that Mr. D'Onofrio did is gonna be awesome !!!
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Post by kawaiidragonfoe821 on Feb 14, 2006 11:09:54 GMT -5
I love his stubble, I don't like full on full facial hair myself, so getting to see that a man has the ability to grow a beard without actually having to see it is very hot IMO. I can't understand why everyone is complaining , he's always had it; just look back at the past seasons, esp season 3 ('Gift' 'Sound Bodies', & 'Pas De Deux' to name a few) where he has heavy stubble.
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