eames47
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"What are they saying now???"
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Post by eames47 on Aug 16, 2008 13:01:12 GMT -5
--We don't know exactly what Tessa told her mother. Maybe she said she'd seen him more times. Hard to know what ANYBODY's parents are thinking in this day and age, IMHO. Just remembered: When Tessa was talking to Goren and Eames in front of her mom, she told them she met him at that prankster's party. Tessa's mom said, "you were there?". She had heard about the party and the junior stealing the seniors key (sorry don't remember the name of the kid that had the party), but didn't know her daughter had been there? So then where did she think her daughter met this boy? Strictly online? As someone else mentioned, I think the mom was trying too hard to be her best friend and not her mom.
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Post by DonnaJo on Aug 16, 2008 14:28:57 GMT -5
Sometimes, when there is just a Mom and one child, especially if that child is a daughter, the tendency to be buddies first is very strong. The "you and me against the world" attitude. I agree with Ladyheather that Tessa's Mom wanted her unpopular daughter to have a cute, successful, preppy boyfriend. This would validate her attendance at her school, make her like the other kids. And yes, she was so driven in this goal that she failed her daughter as a parent.
As Eames 47 pointed out, Tessa's mom was letting her attend the prom with a boy that she believed that her daughter had never actually met. That's crazy. right? What parent says OK to that?
This episode, coupled with the playground moms from "Neighborhood Watch" who gleefully heralded the idea that a statutory rapist was stabbed 15 times & beheaded, makes me wonder if some of the writers are pretty clueless about parenthood? They seem to believe that all parents will throw away all ethics , morals & reason for their children's benefit. Who also comes to mind is Judge Garrett's wife from "ITWSH."
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susan1212
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Yeah. I get that.
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Post by susan1212 on Aug 17, 2008 6:45:42 GMT -5
Or maybe it's just they believe MCS criminal investigations bring us to this type of parent. Good parents are rare on LOCI, right now the only one that comes to mind is the murdered corrections officer and his wife in "Stress Position". And bad parenting in some form or another is the root cause of most of the crimes committed on the show. That's how Robert figures them out. In any case, I don't know many people, make that any people, who have actually been involved in a murder investigation, not that involvement translates to guilt, but I don't believe it is the norm for your everyday person. LOCI writers are charged with telling the story of the criminal element of NYC and the people touched by them. Certainly not all are bad, but I believe in order to investigate such crimes, one is bound to meet more unscrupulous people than ethical ones. JMHO
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Post by DonnaJo on Aug 17, 2008 7:13:12 GMT -5
Excellent points, Susan (as usual). ;D
Sadly, I do know many bad parents through my job in Outreach. But my experiences are with poor, uneducated, usually drug or alcohol dependant types who are either negligent because they have no idea what a good parent is, or because they must leave their kids to the streets & the neighbors in order to go to work. No spouse or money for child care.
Ironically, CI usually shows understanding & sympathy for the poor parents, and demonizes the rich & privileged ones. Not very realistic for a place like New York City, where every day atrocities against children are on the news. The parents involved are always poor.
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susan1212
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Post by susan1212 on Aug 18, 2008 19:46:18 GMT -5
Excellent points, Susan (as usual). ;D Sadly, I do know many bad parents through my job in Outreach. But my experiences are with poor, uneducated, usually drug or alcohol dependant types who are either negligent because they have no idea what a good parent is, or because they must leave their kids to the streets & the neighbors in order to go to work. No spouse or money for child care. Ironically, CI usually shows understanding & sympathy for the poor parents, and demonizes the rich & privileged ones. Not very realistic for a place like New York City, where every day atrocities against children are on the news. The parents involved are always poor. Well, the rich have ways of keeping their names out of the paper. It must be hard for you to witness such heartache on a daily basis, Donna. But since you can help them through your work, it must be somewhat rewarding too. Still, you must have a strong constitution and desire to help others to do your work. I admire you for that.
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Post by deathroe on Aug 24, 2008 19:45:38 GMT -5
Quick notes before the boards explode:
--Tessa is very much complicit in Paul's treatment, as is her mother. In many ways, she is victimized not a victim. Paul strikes one as the true victim, not just because he dies but because he disappears from the texture ultimately, the way CI victims tend to.
--Interesting that the writers strive to depict adult cluelessness about teenagers but are themselves, one suspects, somewhat clueless about teen life. There are likely SVU episodes that do this a little better, tho I can't currently think of one.
--I think the reason this jars may be writerly failure; I think it may also in large part be that it presents such a depressing view of teachers and students. I've touched on Tessa's complicity. There's also Ms. Nobile's. She's a single mother who's dedicated her life to her daughter, and her endorsement of Paul may be wish fulfillment. It is also what appears to get her into trouble. She acts weak in the face of blackmail, is persuaded by a prank by teenagers instead of standing strong against them. And does admin back her up? Unclear. Very depressing view of an educator and of her admin (warranted? No comment). Lord of the Flies is referenced (these literary references were more cute than clever), but it's worth pointing out that that wild society was one ruled by children. Here, the adults still rule (mainly), but they seem ineffectual.
--This business of the young woman who would be going to U of M instead of Wellesley if she "weren't black"--chilling. But I ran into quota comments even in grad school. It was a big eye opener.
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meggyd
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Post by meggyd on Nov 9, 2008 5:22:30 GMT -5
When Goren and Eames arrive at the school to begin with, the detective tells them the Headmaster is a real 'CYA'. What does that mean?
A so-so episode. I did like it the first time in the father's study, where the father snatches back the photograph Goren has been playing with, and Goren apologises while Eames shoots him a dirty look.
I really wish the beard would go also. I really hope the dishelvelled look is just VDO 'getting into character' and not because of any other real life reason. I've been watching the show Life (it's on the day before CI here), and Charlie is making me nostalgic for the old Goren with his poking, prodding and strange statements, all done with focus and glee. The contrast with worn down and plodding Goren on the next night is marked. I hope Goren revives this season and gets that joy and interest back (for the character's sake and for ours).
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Post by tjara on Mar 12, 2009 8:36:25 GMT -5
I saw this yesterday. I agree with those that said it's nothing sepcial, however I still did like it. I could relate to this ep in two ways. First, I'm one of the "Teenie-Generation" that's depcited. Well not completely, I'm a little older, but I know many of the drills that were shown (Facebook etc.). I don't use these media as much, but I know many people that do. And then I was strangely remembered of my days as a foreign exchange student to the United States. The High School I went to was on an Island, in fact the whole School District was. And while I had a great year and the community was nice, I really noted that it was hard to fit in, hard because the students in the school (I was a Junior) had all been together for 10 grades. They had many shared experiences that I just couldn't relate to, and I got that vibe from the ep, too. I thought that the schizophrenia reference was a little odd, especially the medication, but maybe I'd have to be a doctor to really understand that. It didn't seem to fit what I've read about the treatment of this illness thus far. I liked the red herrings and the dynamics between parents and children, who both, in their own way, think they know everything when they don't! I think we did learn *why* Ms. Nobile wasn't concerned about Joe - she thought he'd be a step up for Tessa, exactly what she wanted for her. I also got that both boys - the victim and the perp had trouble with their dads as soon as we met them. I liked how Eames and Ross could throw in expertise, and in a way, this really highlights how lonely Bobby is at times. I liked the aria and thought the kid did good "loosing" it slowly. It was fun to watch Eames and Goren together, fooling the perp... Oh, and the beard. I don't particularly care for it either. I think some scruff like in Depths looks nicer (if there has to be scruff at all), but I'm glad it's allowed to retain it's natural look. I even liked the dark clothes, though I agree - maybe Season 8 we can see the return of "fancy" Armani-Bobby LOL
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Post by Patcat on Mar 12, 2009 10:18:06 GMT -5
I wonder if Bobby sold some of those nice suits to help with his bills? And because of his weight fluctuations?
Patcat (who admits she'd like to see Bobby (and Mr. D'Onofrio) back in those nice suits)
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Post by tjara on Mar 12, 2009 12:41:47 GMT -5
Well he was suspended for 5 months, right? That alone would create the need for money, I guess... Why not give away clothes you're not gonna wear again?
If you're not me, who can't part with anything, it would make sense...
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Post by idget on Mar 29, 2009 1:17:38 GMT -5
Watched this episode with my patients a few hrs ago on NBC. They really enjoyed it. Something I caught last night that I missed upon my first viewing was the playful interaction between Goren and Rogers when they are examining the dead boy. Rogers wants to show Goren and Eames the bruises on the dead boy's back and Goren goes to roll him over with this look on his face like he knows Rogers wouldn't approve and she quickly shoos him away and turns the body over herself. The little grin on Goren's face is so cute and sneaky. I hope they are able to put the events of Frame behind them and continue to have such a relationship. I really get a kick out of their interactions.
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Post by maherjunkie on Mar 29, 2009 9:24:14 GMT -5
What do you do?
I thought this ep sucked. None of the characters are likeable, even the little boy going "Lawyer" was too cynical for me.
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Post by deathroe on Mar 29, 2009 16:04:37 GMT -5
I agree, maherjunkie--'twas quite silly, in the final analysis. When you think that there was quite a serious case recently with Myspace impersonation (the Megan Meier case, for non North Americans), they had the opportunity to do something really deep and didn't :/
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Post by idget on Mar 30, 2009 0:45:36 GMT -5
I am a nurse. What can I say? I liked this episode. I wouldn't place it in my top 10 favorites, but I enjoyed it. It had no angst and Bobby and Alex were working well together. It also had me guessing who had hung the kid. Your right in that there weren't many likable people in it, but that rarely effects my enjoyment of the show. I very rarely feel sorry for the murderer, the only exception I can think of, off the top of my head, is Wally from Probability. I'm sure there were a few others but I can't remember them now.
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Post by tjara on Mar 30, 2009 2:00:43 GMT -5
DR,
I don't think this episode was meant to be about wrong internet ID's or fake facebook accounts. For me it was more about class, about how people don't accept other people because of their background and what means they (the upper class) take to get rid of them (the lower class).
Come to think of it, it's funny, because "Please Note" had a similiar topic with a similiar setting. Only the kids were younger...
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